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Re: Steal My Idea! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7205.msg265800#msg265800
« Reply #252 on: February 06, 2011, 08:34:44 pm »
No. Only marks that stack with player mark.

And I have decided that the buff applies to both players.

If you have 2 earth marks, and the enemy has a fire mark,

all earth creatures gain +2|+0

all fire creatures gain +1|+0
The double sided thing helps but the problem is that their is no limit (that I know of) on how many marks can be in a deck. Thus this card you are purposing could be equated to a similar card that only counts the number of unupped pillars +1. I hope you agree that balancing such a thing is really difficult and would require a very high cost. Actually it is worse than the one that only counts unupped pillars because your opponent will typically get +1|+0 while you get +N|+0 where N will grow by about 4+T/2 (T is the turn count).
A minimum cost of 10 :rainbow seems appropriate.
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Re: Steal My Idea! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7205.msg265804#msg265804
« Reply #253 on: February 06, 2011, 08:39:22 pm »
Marks are limited to 6. 

Worst case scenario, it is a +7|+0 to most of your creatures, and a +1|+0 to most of your opponents creatures, that takes 7 cards to set up.

It is vulnerable to PC. It gives no health buff, so the creatures involved could still be killed.

Furthermore, this would buff mono's against rainbows, something that we need.

Since the marks can't be upped for this to work, going with marks (which are limited to 6), doesn't let you splash quanta, so it would set back mono-rushes by a turn.

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Re: Steal My Idea! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7205.msg265809#msg265809
« Reply #254 on: February 06, 2011, 08:43:17 pm »
Marks are limited to 6. 

Worst case scenario, it is a +7|+0 to most of your creatures, and a +1|+0 to most of your opponents creatures, that takes 7 cards to set up.

It is vulnerable to PC. It gives no health buff, so the creatures involved could still be killed.

Furthermore, this would buff mono's against rainbows, something that we need.

Since the marks can't be upped for this to work, going with marks (which are limited to 6), doesn't let you splash quanta, so it would set back mono-rushes by a turn.
You have convinced me (really marks are limited to 6?)
This would be like an Eclipse you grow into and past. Probably 6|4 :rainbow?
I still do not like how it can only be used by the elite and only be used effectively by the collectors.
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« Reply #255 on: February 06, 2011, 08:46:31 pm »
Actually, I was thinking that this would be a buff to FG's seeing as they start with 3.

Regular PVP already favours the elite, and this would very likely be banned from most tournaments (as are a good number of other cards).

Also, that life deck you suggested, how would that compare to another deck, say, one the uses towers?
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Re: Steal My Idea! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7205.msg265838#msg265838
« Reply #256 on: February 06, 2011, 09:00:09 pm »
Actually, I was thinking that this would be a buff to FG's seeing as they start with 3.

Regular PVP already favours the elite, and this would very likely be banned from most tournaments (as are a good number of other cards).

Also, that life deck you suggested, how would that compare to another deck, say, one the uses towers?
I ignore all AI when balancing cards.

Regular PvP favors experts over newbs. But elites only have more options not more power than experts.
Newb: Starter Deck
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« Reply #257 on: February 06, 2011, 09:02:25 pm »
Ah, I wish that was how things were.

Can you honestly tell me that someone with no access to rare weapons is limited in options, but not in power?


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Re: Steal My Idea! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7205.msg265846#msg265846
« Reply #258 on: February 06, 2011, 09:03:49 pm »
Ah, I wish that was how things were.

Can you honestly tell me that someone with no access to rare weapons is limited in options, but not in power?
Um I said that Experts had access to rare weapons (everyone beyond newbs do).
Elites have an average of at least 3 of each.
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Re: Steal My Idea! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7205.msg265855#msg265855
« Reply #259 on: February 06, 2011, 09:08:57 pm »
Fair point.

However, would you consider this OP as it stands?

If so, what cost would make it ok?

Mark cards currently are only used for bragging rights.

A card that would have a small use in a lot of decks, that adds to the options for PvE, and would make marks more useful is something I think is worth doing.

I do agree that it should not be so good as to unfairly help those who have earned marks.

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Re: Steal My Idea! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7205.msg265867#msg265867
« Reply #260 on: February 06, 2011, 09:15:15 pm »
Yeah I think at 6|4 :rainbow it would be a situational, almost never used but balanced when combined with 6 marks in a deck.
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Re: Steal My Idea! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7205.msg265873#msg265873
« Reply #261 on: February 06, 2011, 09:17:29 pm »
Actually, since I don't want complaints of it being unfair (I really did agree with your logic earlier), I think I would rather go with 8|7  :rainbow.

Since a eclipse for non-darkness is already something that should be kinda expensive, and would potentially give an advantage to long time veterans, I think this is a fair cost.

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Re: Steal My Idea! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7205.msg265999#msg265999
« Reply #262 on: February 06, 2011, 11:31:06 pm »
I'm not very creative, but I was thinking of a kind of alchemy other card that gives a creature with no ability one, based on your mark. I was thinking

 :death = scavenger
 :air = web
 :entropy = hatch
 :light = heal
 :darkness = lycanthropy
 :water = poison
 :earth = burrow

Unsure about the rest though...  :(

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Re: Steal My Idea! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7205.msg266004#msg266004
« Reply #263 on: February 06, 2011, 11:36:25 pm »
I'm not very creative, but I was thinking of a kind of alchemy other card that gives a creature with no ability one, based on your mark. I was thinking

 :death = scavenger
 :air = web
 :entropy = hatch
 :light = heal
 :darkness = lycanthropy
 :water = poison
 :earth = burrow

Unsure about the rest though...  :(
Reminds me of Shapechanger. From either the Other Crucible or the Crucible archive.
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