[OUTDATED] Turns to win study

[jmdt]

Updated with unupped speed poison.  More unupped decks to come.

[hrmmm]

tested this one:
Fast-Draw Unupped Pillarless AI3 Grinder (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,6298.0.html) by scaredgirl

ttw: 8.28 (50 games)
loses: 4

5 ttw: 1
6 ttw: 8
7 ttw: 12
8 ttw: 6
9 ttw: 7
10 ttw: 5
11 ttw: 3
12-14 ttw: 4

[Selenbrant]

I am testing this:

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total games	won	EM	lost	5ttw	6ttw	7ttw	8ttw	9ttw	10ttw
17	17	14	0	2	3	8	3	1	0

some games later:

total games	won	EM	lost	5ttw	6ttw	7ttw	8ttw	9ttw	10ttw
50	50	33	0	4	14	19	11	1	1

Average ttw: 6,88

[jmdt]

OP updated with more decks and several errors corrected.

[Selenbrant]

I thought deck images would be nice.
To spare you some work:
(changed author to "community")

Upped Decks:
 
Fire Lava Destroyer Rush: 5.780 ttw loses: 1 - posted by Hrmmm
7 Fire Burning Tower, 4 Ruby Dragon, 6 Cremation, 6 Lava Destroyer, 2 Minor Phoenix, 4 Ball lightning, 1 Gavel, Earth Mark.

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Vreely's 27 card fire rush T50 killer: 5.890 ttw loses:2 - posted by xKelevra
4 Fire Burning Tower, 2 Ruby Dragon, 6 Cremation, 4 Lava Destroyer, 3 Explosions, 1 Unstoppable, 6 Ray of Light, 3 Precognition, 1 Thunderbolt, Earth Mark.

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74a 7dg 7dg 7dg 7dg 7di 7di 7dm 7dm 7dm 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dq 7dq 7dq 7dq 7jp 7jp 7jp 7jp 7jp 7jp 7qb 7qb 7qb 80axKelevra's Speed Rainbow: 6.010 ttw loses: 0 - posted by xKelevra
5 Quantum pillars Tower?, 6 Ssupernovas, 1 Phase Recluse, 3 Shockwaves, 1 Improved Steal, 1 Flesh Recluse, 1 Bonewall unupped?, 2 Elite Graboid, 1 Werewolf, 1 Lava Destroyer, 2 Explosions, 1 Elite Charger, 1 Giant Frog, 1 Forest Spectre, 1 Morning Star Glory?, 1 Abyss Crawler, Entropy Mark.

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52r 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6qq 6u1 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 6u3 713 745 77g 77g 7ae 7ah 7dm 7dm 7dq 7gm 7k1 7n7 7n7 7n7 7t9 80gI just see 29 cards

For now I just did this three. I changed some things (red). Hope it will help. I will continue later on if you want.


Frogtal: 6.020 ttw loses: 2
14 Life tower, 6 Giant Frog, 6 Aether tower, 4 Fractal, Aether mark

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Shrieker Rush: 6.080 ttw loses: 0 - Posted by Fragmentation
17 Earth Tower, 6 Graboid, 6 Shrieker, 1 Long Sword, Time Mark

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Shrieker Rush + Healing: 6.340 ttw loses: 0
14 Earth Tower, 6 Graboid, 6 Shrieker, 1 Long Sword, 3 SoG, Time Mark

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Speedbow: 6.347 ttw loses: 1
5 Quantum pillars, 6 supernovas, 1 Phase Recluse, 2 Lightning, 1 Unstable Gas, 2 Improved Steals ,2 Flesh Recluses, 2 Elite Graboid, 1 Lava Destroyer, 1 Elite Charger, 3 Giant Frog, 1 Elite Pegasus, 2 Precognition, 1 Abyss Crawler, Entropy Mark.

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Life Rush: 6.360 ttw loses: 0
11 Life Tower, 6 Giant Frog, 6 Elite Cockatrice, 6 Ephinephrine, 1 Jade Staff, Life Mark.

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Life Rush + Dragons: 6.388 ttw loses: 0
12 Life Tower, 5 Giant Frog, 5 Elite Cockatrice, 5 Ephinephrine, 3 Jade Dragon, Life Mark.

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Puppychow's Order in the Court: 6.578 ttw loses: 6 - posted by xKelevra
6 Nova, 6 Gavel, 5 Unstoppable, 1 Basilisk Blood, 2 Explosion, 2 Congeal, 5 Animate Weapon, 1 Rewind, 2 Thunderbolt, Gravity Mark.

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Mono Life With Heals: 6.88 ttw loses:0 EM:33 - Posted by Selenbrant
10 Emerald Towers, 2 Jade dragons, 6 Giant Frog, 6 Elite Cockatrice, 5 Improved Heal, 1 Jade Shield, Life Mark.

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Mono Entropy Anti-Rush: 6.977 ttw loses: 2 - posted by xKelevra
14 Amethyst Towers, 2 Micro Abomination, 6 Amethyst Dragons, 6 Antimatters, 2 Butterfly Effect, 2 Mutation, 1 Purple Nymph, Entropy Mark.

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Fractal Phoenix: 7.000 ttw loses: 4
6 Fire Tower, 3 Explosion, 6 Cremation, 5 Minor Phoenix, 6 Aether Tower, 4 Fractal, Aether Mark.

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Speed Poison: 7.450 ttw loses: 2 - posted by Bluesky
9 Bone Towers, 2 Flesh Recluses, 6 Physalias, 6 Deadly Poison, 1 arsenic, 6 Congeals, Water mark

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Fractal Chargers: 8.149 ttw loses: 3
9 Gravity Towers, 6 Elite Chargers, 7 Aether Towers, 4 Phase Shields, 4 Fractal, Gravity Mark.

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Unupped Decks:

Vreely's No Upgrade Fire Rush T50 Killer: 7.810 ttw loses: 4
5 Burning Pillar, 2 Crimson Dragons, 4 Deflagration, 6 Immolation, 5 Lava Golem, 6 Photon, 1 Rage Poton, 1 Hammer, Earth Mark.

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ScaredGirls Fast-Draw Unupped Pillarless AI3 Grinder: 8.280 ttw loses: 4 - Posted by Hrmmm
1 Lycanthrope, 4 Nova, 1 Arsenic, 1 Graviton Fire Eater, 1 Forest Spirit, 2 Crimson Dragon, 5 Immolation, 2 Lava golem, 1 Chrysaora, 5 Photon, 1 Fog Shield, 6 Precognition, Time Mark

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Speed poison: 10.390 ttw loses: 9
10 Pone Pillars, 6 Poison, 2 Arsenic, 6 Freeze, 6 Chrysaora, Water Mark.

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[jmdt]

Several more decks added to the list.  Images for each deck are added as spoilers below and several deck errors were corrected (thanks Selenbrant).  Feel free to post statistics for your favorite deck not listed.

[xKelevra]

Me and jm have decided to test whether it's better to have a speed EM deck or a rush deck. I had the pleasure of testing hrmmm's golem rush. Pretty much, we're supposed to play 50 games and record the time it took and the electrum/score/wins/losses gained. Here are the results:

Start:
Time - 8:25
Electrum - 42010
Score - 55976
Wins - 1973
Losses - 1616

Finish - 9:30
Electrum - 43619
Score - 56832
Wins - 2020
Losses - 1619

Net Result:
Time: 65 mins
Electrum: +1609
Score: +856
Wins: +47
Losses: +3
Cards won: Fire spirit, ice shield, miracle, pegasus, FFQ, 2 fate eggs, 2 devourers, PU, 2 graboids, 3 EQ
24.75 electrum/min
13.17 score/min

[smuglapse]

This study also uses only upped cards unless otherwise otherwise noted.

Also, loses should be losses.

Nice project.  This will be a good resource.

[jmdt]

This study also uses only upped cards unless otherwise otherwise noted.

Also, loses should be losses.

Nice project.  This will be a good resource.

Thanks.  Hopefully I can get scaredgirl to book mark this somewhere one day.  I'm an engineer...we can't spell, lol.

[xKelevra]

Shrieker Rush (Tweaked for a QI of 5.6)

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TTW: 8.3256
Losses: 4 (speed poison AI rapes this deck T_T)

Note: The results are very skewed because I got the speed poison AI3 ~20 games out of 100 and it took ages to finish the match. If I reject those matches, then I'm sure the ttw would be closer to 7 (I've got long strings of seven turn matches).

Mono Death (Tweaked for a QI of 5)

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52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52g 52h 52h 52h 52h 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52t 52t 52t 52t 52t 52t
TTW: 7.0861
Losses: 2 (this might go up after the AI learns to use holy flash on enemy critters)

[Selenbrant]

Are lost games considered?

[jmdt]

Are lost games considered?

Lost games are calculated separately.  For instance with 3 loses in 50 you would divide your turns total by 47 for ttw and report 3 loses.