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Re: Dune Scorpion | Dune Scorpion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9467.msg114385#msg114385
« Reply #108 on: July 14, 2010, 04:15:35 pm »
The card isn't OP, it's just very annoying.
I think you summed this card up in a sentence.

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Re: Dune Scorpion | Dune Scorpion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9467.msg114867#msg114867
« Reply #109 on: July 15, 2010, 05:24:25 am »
Agreed.
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Re: Dune Scorpion | Dune Scorpion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9467.msg115863#msg115863
« Reply #110 on: July 16, 2010, 05:12:55 am »
Annoying to the point where I wouldn't want it in-game. It counters decks that use card-strategies reliant on combos of cards or playing cards in certain situations (permanent or creature control spells, miracle, fractal, bonewall combos (of which there are ridiculous amounts), flying weapons decks, decks that rely on quintessences, just to name a teeny tiny few). It's one card that counters too many others. Wings is at least weak to perm control, being stolen especially, airborne creatures, momentum, etc. etc.

This card, if played early, is only vulnerable to early CC, and with adrenaline or with 1+ others, is just horrid, lol.

I have the feeling it would cripple too many decks, and make rushing even more popular (My rush decks steadily win the most in pvp), and interesting card synergies and strategies even less so, which makes me sad.

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Re: Dune Scorpion | Dune Scorpion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9467.msg115866#msg115866
« Reply #111 on: July 16, 2010, 05:20:53 am »
Annoying to the point where I wouldn't want it in-game. It counters decks that use card-strategies reliant on combos of cards or playing cards in certain situations (permanent or creature control spells, miracle, fractal, bonewall combos (of which there are ridiculous amounts), flying weapons decks, decks that rely on quintessences, just to name a teeny tiny few). It's one card that counters too many others. Wings is at least weak to perm control, being stolen especially, airborne creatures, momentum, etc. etc.

This card, if played early, is only vulnerable to early CC, and with adrenaline or with 1+ others, is just horrid, lol.

I have the feeling it would cripple too many decks, and make rushing even more popular (My rush decks steadily win the most in pvp), and interesting card synergies and strategies even less so, which makes me sad.
I agree with jmdt:

With a card like this it could develop a triangle were rush decks beat hand disruption decks, hand disruption decks beat control stalls, and control stalls beat rush decks.
We are seeing that control decks are becoming more and more prevalent, and as result a card like this comes out.  It won't ruin all control decks, not at all, but it does counter them, OTK, and rainbows.
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Re: Dune Scorpion | Dune Scorpion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9467.msg115936#msg115936
« Reply #112 on: July 16, 2010, 08:16:14 am »
The word hate describes this card in one word for me.
The cards in the last few updates have all been good, and improved the game (with the possible exception of Fractal which crosses the border of OP)
We now need filler cards (gargoyle, steam machine) not cards that use new and unwanted mechanics.

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Re: Dune Scorpion | Dune Scorpion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9467.msg115974#msg115974
« Reply #113 on: July 16, 2010, 10:24:54 am »
I appear to be the only one welcoming this new card.  Guys, why should your hand be safe?

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Re: Dune Scorpion | Dune Scorpion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9467.msg115994#msg115994
« Reply #114 on: July 16, 2010, 11:44:13 am »
I appear to be the only one welcoming this new card.  Guys, why should your hand be safe?
Because the denial effect voids the presence of cards. In other games this can be offset with Search or mulitfunction effects but they don't exist in this game.
Denial also provokes nnegative feelings in the game because it stops you playing the game rather than trying and losing.

The worst of the effect is that once a card is discarded, its gone and you never even got to use it. This effect changes the enviroment into a rush fest.


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Re: Dune Scorpion | Dune Scorpion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9467.msg116001#msg116001
« Reply #115 on: July 16, 2010, 12:19:31 pm »
You have a point there, if there were ways to recycle or reclaim cards, the game would be a better environment for Dune Scorpion. But, then, I remember you also don't like graveyards..  :-X

Still, I like Dune Scorpion.

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Re: Dune Scorpion | Dune Scorpion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9467.msg116003#msg116003
« Reply #116 on: July 16, 2010, 12:24:07 pm »
Because the denial effect voids the presence of cards. In other games this can be offset with Search or multifunction effects but they don't exist in this game.
Denial also provokes negative feelings in the game because it stops you playing the game rather than trying and losing.

The worst of the effect is that once a card is discarded, its gone and you never even got to use it. This effect changes the environment into a rush fest.
Personally, I hate rushes, but otherwise I get your point. :(

The only problem is, what would be a better mechanic then? Just rewinding of the cards in the player's hands back randomly into/at the bottom of their deck? That would actually be a form of anti-deckout to the enemy, which would actually give some players an advantage to stay alive...

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Re: Dune Scorpion | Dune Scorpion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9467.msg116004#msg116004
« Reply #117 on: July 16, 2010, 12:27:08 pm »
You have a point there, if there were ways to recycle or reclaim cards, the game would be a better environment for Dune Scorpion. But, then, I remember you also don't like graveyards..  :-X

Still, I like Dune Scorpion.
I like graveyards when I can play in them.
Still don't think Elements needs a Graveyard.
If the card returned to your deck rather than being lost, I would have no issue with Dune Scorpion.

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Re: Dune Scorpion | Dune Scorpion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9467.msg116005#msg116005
« Reply #118 on: July 16, 2010, 12:32:03 pm »
You have a point there, if there were ways to recycle or reclaim cards, the game would be a better environment for Dune Scorpion. But, then, I remember you also don't like graveyards..  :-X

Still, I like Dune Scorpion.
I like graveyards when I can play in them.
Still don't think Elements needs a Graveyard.
If the card returned to your deck rather than being lost, I would have no issue with Dune Scorpion.
If Dune Scorpion sent it to the bottom of the deck, then maybe it would be more friendlier to your opponent (lol)? But, then, does that mean Dune Scorpion's attack should remain 0?

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Re: Dune Scorpion | Dune Scorpion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9467.msg116092#msg116092
« Reply #119 on: July 16, 2010, 03:23:26 pm »
I have always wanted more search options...

 

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