ivalmian's Rainbow SpeedDeck (kills almost all FG with elem master for v1.17+)

[Alexfrog]

Tested this and I also experienced too few quantum towers.  I had success after addign several towers.  Its a waste of card to have only a couple towers early on and end up discarding.   In my experience the no tower hands are not worth playing, even against easy gods.  Sure you can play it out and might win sometimes, but its far better to quit, lose the 30 coins, and try again to get a higher probability chance of winning. 

In order to maximize gains per hour, we should prioritize losing fast or winning with a high probability in games that we play out.  Ignoring the hard false gods by immediately quitting is beneficial to gains per hour.  In fact, I think it makes sense to build the deck in order to maximize win % against the easy/medium difficulty gods, and completely ignore the hard ones.  Generally we should beat the easy gods by having enough towers, and getting some card draw (having hourglass), since if we draw extra cards, we will draw into whatever else we need. 

[ivalmian]

Tested this and I also experienced too few quantum towers.  I had success after addign several towers.  Its a waste of card to have only a couple towers early on and end up discarding.   In my experience the no tower hands are not worth playing, even against easy gods.  Sure you can play it out and might win sometimes, but its far better to quit, lose the 30 coins, and try again to get a higher probability chance of winning. 

In order to maximize gains per hour, we should prioritize losing fast or winning with a high probability in games that we play out.  Ignoring the hard false gods by immediately quitting is beneficial to gains per hour.  In fact, I think it makes sense to build the deck in order to maximize win % against the easy/medium difficulty gods, and completely ignore the hard ones.  Generally we should beat the easy gods by having enough towers, and getting some card draw (having hourglass), since if we draw extra cards, we will draw into whatever else we need.

This deck wins at least 40- 50%  even with no towers in the first 2 turns... seriously...

Again, you can replace protects by towers and only play gods with no perm control...  But frankly, I would just stick with the way I advertise it, auto quit on graviton, rainbow, divine glory, perhaps, leave against hermes if you don't have a good start, but fight everyone else...

[Alexfrog]

I find that it doesnt win that much with no initial towers, when I've tried to play those starts I just end up wasting time and getting killed before I can get going - or being in too big of a hole. 

If we were entropy mark with 6 supernovas, then we might survive without towers, since after 2 turns you can just play the supernovas - but we arent.

The deck is clearly great, I just feel it gets a higher percentage of winnable draws with a bit more towers.

[ivalmian]

I find that it doesnt win that much with no initial towers, when I've tried to play those starts I just end up wasting time and getting killed before I can get going - or being in too big of a hole. 

If we were entropy mark with 6 supernovas, then we might survive without towers, since after 2 turns you can just play the supernovas - but we arent.

The deck is clearly great, I just feel it gets a higher percentage of winnable draws with a bit more towers.

ok, i'll think about additional towers... if i make a new (modified) fat deck, are there people willing to get stats on it (i'm not about to run 60 more games )? Ofc.. i will do some preliminary testing before I post it... but yeah.. I need someone to do 20-30 games and record how they do against various gods...

[elfreth]

I'd offer to test it, but you know how poor my draws seem to be! 

Course, last few days have been much better!

On a tangential note, are SoG's really difficult to get?  I farmed t50 for a month on and off I think and have all the rares I could want.  I think the only card I no longer have is the arctic octopus/squid thing.  I won one and accidentally sold it when I didn't get a warning msg that it was rare...oh well.

[FrozenFlame]

I'm currently testing last deck, the Jangoo's version (unupped eternities, other than that the very same deck), and i'm liking it. Not sure wether deck to use, the other version i was using (PuppyChow's) seemed safer to play for me, but this one has more variety. I'll keep testing it for a while

[Jangoo]

ok, i'll think about additional towers... if i make a new (modified) fat deck, are there people willing to get stats on it (i'm not about to run 60 more games )? Ofc.. i will do some preliminary testing before I post it... but yeah.. I need someone to do 20-30 games and record how they do against various gods...

You will find statistics from my games here:
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,2156.30.html (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,2156.30.html) (on the bottom)

As stated in there, I unfortunately didn't seperate the two deck versions statistics for the individual gods, but its at least 61 games with an 11 Tower Version and the other 61 games with a 12 Tower Version. (exact same overall winning ratio)

[ivalmian]

Ok.. i'm currently working on a new 10 qt 35 card variant (much faster than original 35 deck) and a 15qt 40 card version....  Both of my new decks will probably have a permafrost shield (in lieu of any sundials) :p

I'll post one (or both, if they both work) when I am done with preliminary testing...

[Alexfrog]

I look forward to seeing the testing results!

I got 3 more shards of gratitude grinidng T50 last night, thankfully. 
Not sure what to think of permafrost shield.  Its more expensive than phase shield and doesnt stop all the damage.  If only it froze them all the time! 

[ivalmian]

I look forward to seeing the testing results!

I got 3 more shards of gratitude grinidng T50 last night, thankfully. 
Not sure what to think of permafrost shield.  Its more expensive than phase shield and doesnt stop all the damage.  If only it froze them all the time!

yes, but this is an addition, not a replacement. Also, it will be the only card that uses water quanta.. which means that by mid game the shield is free...

[Alexfrog]

Yes, I like the use of the water quanta in some way.

Whyen do you tend to play out the ice shield?

Generally my progression has been Sundials->Phase Shields->Bonewall, essentially stalling for a while until I can set up a bonewall play with rain of fire/otyugh backup to keep it alive for a long time. 

Permafrost shield is probably better when combined with the shards than without them.  With the shards its ok to take some damage each turn just not a ton.  Permafrost is good at making that happen wihle sticking around indefinitely.

I tried playing without Sundials last night and had a couple losses to Fire Queen and Ferox where I couldnt draw enough defense, that I felt I shouldnt have lost with sundials in there.  But maybe I just need to shirnk the deck further and get all my shards upgraded so I can use them.

[ivalmian]

Yes, I like the use of the water quanta in some way.

Whyen do you tend to play out the ice shield?

Generally my progression has been Sundials->Phase Shields->Bonewall, essentially stalling for a while until I can set up a bonewall play with rain of fire/otyugh backup to keep it alive for a long time. 

Permafrost shield is probably better when combined with the shards than without them.  With the shards its ok to take some damage each turn just not a ton.  Permafrost is good at making that happen wihle sticking around indefinitely.

I tried playing without Sundials last night and had a couple losses to Fire Queen and Ferox where I couldnt draw enough defense, that I felt I shouldnt have lost with sundials in there.  But maybe I just need to shirnk the deck further and get all my shards upgraded so I can use them.

Ok, so the 35 card deck will not have sundials but will rather focus on getting lots of hourglasses quickly... The only reason to use a sundial (i think) is because you didn't draw a shield yet... so in my ideal game I would use (bone wall 1/phase shield 1) -> (phase shield 2/permafrost) -> (if need be bone wall 2).

Power of the permafrost shield is that on average it allows enemy creatures to attack only about half as often as they would otherwise. This means that each create has offence which is

Effective offense = (Original offense -2) / 2

So a 5 offense creature will do about 1.5 damage per turn .. so gods that mass weak creatures will get screwed... also, zans indicated that it will be made that immortal and burrowed creatures will be capable of being frozen.. which makes this shield EXTREMELY powerful against dg and seism. Indeed, it may make beating dg with this deck doable.

For many gods (ferox, seism, destiny, chaos lord, death gods) I think that permafrost would be an exceptionally powerful counter.

Loosing sundials will be VERY bad only against gemini and graviton (due to momenta) but graviton already beats me pretty consistently and gemini, well, we'll see