Ghost of the Past | Ghost of the Past

[Neopergoss]

The first reason was that reverse time + nightmare = wait an extra turn to play creature. Also, they both enhance time's card drawing advantage assuming haste can be used.

[jmizzle7]

I wasn't talking about passive discard options. I'm talking about direct, "opponent discards a card" type stuff (think back to original Dune Scorpion). Elements has nothing of the sort at this time.

And nor should it until a card draw offset is added. Having to run so many cards to complete the 100hp assault on your opponent is already a problem. Having an effect that can knock you out of the game before you can even play anything is an extremely bad negative Play experience. Until a method exists to recover lost cards or find key cards, forced discarding of your opponents deck is a no-no.

I agree that Elements needs to have ways to deal with discarding before hand destruction becomes a viable mechanic. That's why I didn't propose it to be added yet, but rather simply said that it doesn't exist. In other words, you added to my point.

[Kael Hate]

I wasn't talking about passive discard options. I'm talking about direct, "opponent discards a card" type stuff (think back to original Dune Scorpion). Elements has nothing of the sort at this time.

And nor should it until a card draw offset is added. Having to run so many cards to complete the 100hp assault on your opponent is already a problem. Having an effect that can knock you out of the game before you can even play anything is an extremely bad negative Play experience. Until a method exists to recover lost cards or find key cards, forced discarding of your opponents deck is a no-no.

I agree that Elements needs to have ways to deal with discarding before hand destruction becomes a viable mechanic. That's why I didn't propose it to be added yet, but rather simply said that it doesn't exist. In other words, you added to my point.

Cool, I like when we agree.

[pikachufan2164]

Crazy idea, but how about something like this:

"When this card is discarded from your hand, also discard the bottom card of your deck."

Still denial, but not so amazingly powerful that it shuts down a deck if done early. If anything, it would complicate the end game for the opponent by putting them on the clock (excuse the pun) to win before you can stall them out of cards. Given that we can already interact with the top card of the deck via Reverse Time, Eternity, and Mindgate, it shouldn't be too difficult to code for bottom card interactions either.

This would also go interestingly well with a possible buff to Nightmare I proposed:

"Add 8 copies of target creature to your opponent's hand. If this would cause their hand to be full, add the remaining copies to the top of their deck."

[silux]

It reminds me of Prince of Persia!

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5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rl 5rl 5rl 5rm 5rm 5rm 5ro 5rr 5rr 5ru 5ru 5ru 5ru 5ru 5ru
This deck wins in 7 turns!awesome!( ?? are the new card)

[qetuol]

u mad? how can you claim such a silly statement "this deck wins in 7 turns" ? nonsense

[Kael Hate]

Crazy idea, but how about something like this:

"When this card is discarded from your hand, also discard the bottom card of your deck."

Still denial, but not so amazingly powerful that it shuts down a deck if done early. If anything, it would complicate the end game for the opponent by putting them on the clock (excuse the pun) to win before you can stall them out of cards. Given that we can already interact with the top card of the deck via Reverse Time, Eternity, and Mindgate, it shouldn't be too difficult to code for bottom card interactions either.

This would also go interestingly well with a possible buff to Nightmare I proposed:

"Add 8 copies of target creature to your opponent's hand. If this would cause their hand to be full, add the remaining copies to the top of their deck."

Yes Crazy. Did you think about this idea at all?
You'd have to be simple to think that denying an opponent who is already denied, by another 7 turns is in anyway a game improvement.

[plastiqe]

Almost at Minotaur levels now.  : P

[funerallaughter]

no pseudo-vanilla i guess

[skyreal]

Almost at Minotaur levels now.  : P

Ouch >_< it hurts!
Nasty card now, not OP.

[Daytripper]

Nice that time got another attacker indeed. I didn't realize what the passive skill was for until I read the nightmare thing... I guess all these new cards that have synergy with another one almost instantly create a new strategy.

Just saw it in the trainer now.

[BluePriest]

I lke this change a lot. I think this is a clear message that Zanz wants the effect to be used.