Win Time Study - Pro Stats for Pro Grinders.

[jmdt]

The premise of this study is to see how fast deck are in real time, and concurrently how fast they gain electrum and score.  How does the extra clicks to evolve a graboid effect the speed?  Is a slower mindless deck really faster?  Do EM decks really gain more electrum.  All will be answered here.

This study is an offshoot of the turns to win study (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,8813.0.html), which shows in game speed of various decks.

The basic methodology is test 50 games, take score and electrum, before and after, and then test to get the time per game, clicks per game, and score and electrum per minute for comparison.

I'll add commentary in the second post (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,11935.msg157843#msg157843) as there is more data and trends develop.

  Upgraded Decks:

V2 -- fire tweaked to max speed (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,11389.0.html) - jmdt
Sec/game: 56.62, Sec/Turn: 10.805, Clicks/Game: 14.88, Clicks/Turn: 2.840, Score/Min: 19.287, Elec/Min: 19.605
Time overall (min.): 47.183, Score: 910, Electrum: 925, Wins: 50, Ems: 1, Losses: 0, Avg ttw: 5.24Antlion/Shrieker Rush (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,664.0.html) - jmdt
Sec/game: 57.36, Sec/Turn: 9.592, Clicks/Game: 12.82, Clicks/Turn: 2.144, Score/Min: 18.577, Elec/Min: 18.766
Time overall (min.): 47.800, Score: 888, Electrum: 891, Wins: 50, Ems: 1, Losses: 0, Avg ttw: 5.98Mono-Earth Shrieker Rush (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,482.0.html) - hrmmm
Sec/Game: 57.68, Sec/Turn: 9.979, Clicks/Game:13.14, Clicks/Turn: 2.273, Score/Min: 19.244, Electrum/Min: 19.723
Time overall (min.): 48.067, Score: 925, Electrum: 948, Wins: 50, Ems: 3, Losses: 0, Avg ttw: 5.780Mummies Riding Toxic Spiders (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,10074.0.html) - jmdt
Sec/game: 59.46, Sec/Turn: 8.928, Clicks/Game: 11.34, Clicks/Turn: 1.703, Score/Min: 18.264, Elec/Min: 18.971
Time overall (min.): 49.550, Score: 905, Electrum: 940, Wins: 50, Ems: 3, Losses: 0, Avg ttw: 6.66Frogs, and Epi's, and Swords, Oh My!!! (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,11285.0.html) - jmdt
Sec/game: 60.04, Sec/Turn: 9.715, Clicks/Game: 12.40, Clicks/Turn: 2.006, Score/Min: 17.428, Elec/Min: 17.428
Time overall (min.): 50.033, Score: 872, Electrum: 872, Wins: 50, Ems: 0, Losses: 0, Avg ttw: 6.18Da Fastest Speedbow Eva! (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,11757.0.html) - jmdt
Sec/game: 61.80, Sec/Turn: 10.198, Clicks/Game: 13.88, Clicks/Turn: 2.290, Score/Min: 16.641, Elec/Min: 16.641
Time overall (min.): 51.500, Score: 857, Electrum: 857, Wins: 50, Ems: 0, Losses: 0, Avg ttw: 6.06The Ultimate Speed EM Deck (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,10563.0.html) - jmdt
Sec/game: 62.82, Sec/Turn: 9.432, Clicks/Game: 11.46, Clicks/Turn: 1.721, Score/Min: 28.844, Elec/Min: 32.283
Time overall (min.): 25.350, Score: 1510, Electrum: 1690, Wins: 50, Ems: 34, Losses: 0, Avg ttw: 6.66Mindless Ruby Dragons (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,11593.0.html) - hrmmm
Sec/game: 66.02, Sec/Turn: 9.680, Clicks/Game: 13.00, Clicks/Turn: 1.906, Score/Min: 16.922, Elec/Min: 17.213
Time overall (min.): 110.000, Score: 1862, Electrum: 1894, Wins: 97, Ems: 3, Losses: 3, Avg ttw: 6.82Crusade of the Pegasi! (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,5823.0.html) - jmdt
Sec/game: 70.96, Sec/Turn: 10.591, Clicks/Game: 18.00, Clicks/Turn: 2.687, Score/Min: 12.785, Elec/Min: 12.785
Time overall (min.): 59.133, Score: 756, Electrum: 756, Wins: 47, Ems: 0, Losses: 3, Avg ttw: 6.70Frogtal (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,3949.0.html) - kuross
Sec/game: 72.8, Sec/Turn: 10.770, Clicks/Game: 21.44, Clicks/Turn: 3.172, Score/Min: 13.977, Elec/Min: 14.142
Time overall (min.): 60.67, Score: 848, Electrum: 858, Wins: 48, EMs: 2, Losses: 2, Avg ttw: 6.76Angry Santa: Christmas for your Score!!! (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,12659.0.html) - Willng3
Sec/Game: 75.84, Sec/Turn: 9.65, Clicks/Game: 15.84, Clicks/Turn: 2.02, Score/Min: 23.04, Electrum/Min: 25.73
Time overall (min.):  63.200, Score: 1456, Electrum: 1626, Wins: 50, Ems: 34, Losses: 0, Avg ttw: 7.86Healbow (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,11831.0.html) - kuross
Sec/game: 80.12, Sec/Turn: 10.49, Clicks/Game: 16.92, Clicks/Turn: 2.215, Score/Min: 21.282, Elec/Min: 23.678
Time overall (min.): 66.77, Score: 1421, Electrum: 1581, Wins: 50, EMs: 32, Losses: 0, Avg ttw: 7.64quadruple machinegun -- little things get dangerous (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,11894.0.html) - hrmmm
Sec/Game: 81.880, Sec/Turn: 12.83, Clicks/Game: 18.320, Clicks/Turn: 2.871, Score/Min: 12.208, Elec/Min: 12.281
Time overall (min.): 68.233, Score: 833, Electrum: 838, Wins: 46, Ems: 1, Losses: 4, Avg ttw: 6.38Speedbow Without Quantum Towers, Say What? (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,11972.0.html) - kuross
Sec/game: 84.10, Sec/Turn: 12.859, Clicks/Game: 20.28, Clicks/Turn: 3.100, Score/Min:  12.671, Elec/Min: 12.885
Time overall (min.): 70.080, Score: 888, Electrum: 903, Wins: 50, Ems: 1, Losses: 0, Avg ttw: 6.54Essence's EM Mono Darkness (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,11412.0.html) - kuross
Sec/game: 90.36, Sec/Turn: 10.040, Clicks/Game: 16.04, Clicks/Turn: 1.782, Score/Min: 19.573, Elec/Min: 21.280
Time overall (min.): 70.3, Score: 1376, Electrum: 1496, Wins: 48, EMs: 24, Losses: 2, Avg ttw: 9.38
  Unupgraded Decks:

Mono-Earth Shrieker Rush (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,482.0.html) - jmdt
Sec/game: 74.58, Sec/Turn: 9.323, Clicks/Game: 15.64, Clicks/Turn: 1.955, Score/Min: 11.215, Elec/Min: 11.295
Time overall (min.): 62.15, Score: 697, Electrum: 702, Wins: 46, EMs: 1, Losses: 4, Avg ttw: 8.00Mono-Life Adrenaline Rush (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,1482.0.html) - Willng3
Sec/Game: 78.84, Sec/Turn: 9.50, Clicks/Game: 15.74, Clicks/Turn: 1.90, Score/Min: 9.45, Electrum/Min: 9.45
Time overall (min.):  65.700, Score: 621, Electrum: 621, Wins: 43, Ems: 0, Losses: 7, Avg ttw: 8.30  Mono-Death Mummy Rush (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,10503.0.html) - hrmmm
Game: 81.100, Sec/Turn: 9.541, Clicks/Game: 13.920, Clicks/Turn: 1.638, Score/Min: 9.307, Electrum/Min: 9.307
Time overall (min.): 67.58, Score: 629, Electrum: 629, Wins: 47, Ems: 0, Losses: 3, Avg ttw: 8.500No Land Stompy (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,11029.0.html) -kuross
Sec/game: 84.48, Sec/Turn: 11.03, Clicks/Game: 21.90, Clicks/Turn: 2.859, Score/Min: 10.270, Elec/Min: 10.483
Time overall (min.): 70.40, Score: 723, Electrum: 738, Wins: 45, EMs: 3, Losses: 5, Avg ttw: 8.511Mono-Light Blessed Pegasus Rush (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,12931.0.html) - Willng3
Sec/Game: 94.12, Sec/Turn: 10.65, Clicks/Game: 20.94, Clicks/Turn: 2.37, Score/Min: 4.11, Electrum/Min: 4.11
Time overall (min.):  78.43, Score: 323, Electrum: 323, Wins: 35, Ems: 0, Losses: 15, Avg ttw: 8.84  Fun Pillarless Speed Deck: "The Creation of Life" (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,9542.0.html) - hrmmm
Sec/Game: 104.240, Sec/Turn: 12.12, Clicks/Game: 28.14, Clicks/Turn: 3.272, Score/Min: 6.078, Electrum/Min: 7.575
Time overall (min.): 86.86, Score: 528, Electrum: 658, Wins: 39, Ems: 0, Losses: 11, Avg ttw: 8.600

[jmdt]

  Commentary

Comming soon.  Stay tuned!!!

[Dragoon1140]

I'm glad time is being taken into account instead of just turns to win.

Good luck jmdt.

[jmdt]

Back on topic, I'm glad time is being taken into account instead of just turns to win.

Good luck jmdt.

We have SG's mindless rudy dragons, speed EM, speedbow, and essences's mono dark so far.

I will work on V2 and shrieker rush next.

[hrmmm]

allow me to start the study of the next generation 

i tested Mindless Ruby Dragons - fastest way to grind AI3 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,11593.0.html)

Games:   50
Wins:   49
Ems:    2
Losses:   1
   
Time overall (min.)*:   53.333
avg. sec/game*:   64.000
Clicks/Game:   12.820
Score:         938
Electrum:     986
Score/Min:   17.325
Electrum/Min:   17.475

*not included spinns and starting new games. its the sumation of the time facing a ai3.

Avg ttw:   6.660 (oh... should i be scared?)
ttw 5:   9
ttw 6:   19
ttw 7:   12
ttw 8:   6
ttw 9:   1
ttw 10:   1
ttw 11:   1
ttw 12:   1

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[jmdt]

Now that I see all the information we have, I wonder what is worthy of being put in the 1st post.

[guolin]

Now that I see all the information we have, I wonder what is worthy of being put in the 1st post.

To be honest with you, I would post them all. That way people can see the stat they need to see.

[hrmmm]

i would say:
-avg. sec/game (counter for ranking)
-score/min
-electrum/win

the rest in spoiler

a deck description/image isnt really needed -- linking the deck should be enough.

[wavedash]

We have SG's mindless rudy dragons, speed EM, speedbow, and essences's mono dark so far.

I will work on V2 and shrieker rush next.

Mono Death?

[jmdt]

We have SG's mindless rudy dragons, speed EM, speedbow, and essences's mono dark so far.

I will work on V2 and shrieker rush next.

Mono Death?

Yeah mono death will problably be one of the fastest deck in this study since it involves very few clicks.

[jmdt]

I took a run with hrmmm's V2 fire rush.  As expected, the deck was sickly, insanely, stupidly fast averaging less than a minute per game.  I will note that this run of 50 games went a bit faster that the 200 game ttw average, comming in with a ttw of 5.24 versus 5.40.  I may go back later and add 50 or so more games for better statistics.

V2 -- fire tweaked to max speed (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,11389.0.html)

Average sec/game: 56.620
Clicks/Game: 14.88
Score/Min: 19.287
Electrum/Min: 19.605
Time overall (min.): 47.183
Score: 910
Electrum: 925
Games:  50
Wins: 50
Ems: 1
Losses: 0
Avg ttw: 5.240

[kintar]

The problem is, some people play faster than others. How will you account for the difference?