[OUTDATED - v1.27] turns to win study 3.0 (version 1.27)

[kobisjeruk]

so i guess jmdt is not going to manage this thread anymore
anyone care to take over...hrmmm? willng3?

[willng3]

I would like to, but I currently don't have access to it and moving all the rough data collected on this thread to a duplicate would be an absolute pain.  If this was located in the deck section none of this would be an issue, but it's not so I don't know what to do.

[jmdt]

so i guess jmdt is not going to manage this thread anymore
anyone care to take over...hrmmm? willng3?

Yeah willng3 can babysit this guy.  If he'll PM me, I can update the stats.  Next thread, he can manage all by himself

[Calindu]

The gabor (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,25677.0.html)

Games: 50

Avg ttw:6.02

Avg. sec/game: 60.23

Wins: 49

Losses: 1

Ems: 15

posted by - Calindu221

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4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 77e 77e 77e 77e 77e 77e 77g 77g 77g 77g 77g 77g 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dp 7dq 7dq 7dq 7dq 7dq 7dq 7tbttw 3: 0
ttw 4: 5
ttw 5: 18
ttw 6: 15
ttw 7: 4
ttw 8: 6
ttw 9: 1
ttw 10: 1
ttw 11: 0
ttw 12: 0
ttw 13: 0
ttw 14: 0
ttw 15: 0
ttw 16: 0
ttw 17: 0
ttw 18: 0
ttw 19: 0
ttw 20: 0

[Calindu]

Deckname: Unupped Shrieker Rush (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,482.0.html)

Games: 200

Avg ttw: 8.01

Avg. sec/game: 69.62

Wins: 163

Losses: 37

Ems: 6

posted by - Bhlewos

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4t4 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 590 590 590 590 590 590 591 591 591 591 591 591

Score gained: 2311 Electrum gained: 3176 Time overall (min.): 225.1 Sec/Turn: 10.35 Score/Min: 10.27 Electrum/Min: 14.11

ttw 3: 0 ttw 4: 0 ttw 5: 0 ttw 6: 15 ttw 7: 57 ttw 8: 45 ttw 9: 23 ttw 10: 11 ttw 11: 6 ttw 12: 5 ttw 13: 1 ttw 14: 0 ttw 15: 0 ttw 16: 0 ttw 17: 0 ttw 18: 0 ttw 19: 0 ttw 20: 0

I still have to look at how this compares to other Unupped AI3 grinders, but my personal thoughts after playing this are don't. It's fast and effective, with an 81.5% win rate against 1.27, but extremely vulnerable to any form of CC and on top of that boring as hell. The Mono-Aether AI3 in particular should just be skipped. There's the off chance that it won't chain Dimensional Shields, but that chance is too small to be worth it. Against any other AI3, you should probably play through the game.

Gavel for short sword will improve that deck in TTW

[pikachufan2164]

Gavel for short sword will improve that deck in TTW

The mark is probably wrong; it should be Time. Short Sword is still the better choice.

[Calindu]

Gavel for short sword will improve that deck in TTW

The mark is probably wrong; it should be Time. Short Sword is still the better choice.

Oh,forgot about the mark change,the gavel doesn't get +1 att with time

[Bhlewos]

Oops, yeah it was supposed to be Time. I'll fix it. And I was using the deck posted in the topic, so I kept the Short Sword rather than make changes.

[willng3]

AI setting on high speed.

Mono Life Rush

Games: 200

Avg ttw:   7.769

Avg. sec/game: 72.905

Wins: 160

Losses: 40

Ems: 9

posted by - willng3

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5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bu 5bu 5bu 5bu 5bu 5bu 5c0 5c0 5c0 5c0 5c0 5c0 5c7 5c7 5c7 5c7 5c7 5c7 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5deGames:   200
   
avg. Sec/Game:   72.905
Sec/Turn:   8.789029536
Clicks/Game:   15.600
Clicks/Turn:   1.880650995
Score/Min:   9.534325492
Electrum/Min:   9.719497977
   
Time overall (min.):   243.017
Wins:   160
Ems:   9
Losses:   40
Score:   2317
Electrum:   2362
Avg ttw:   7.769

ttw 3:   0
ttw 4:   0
ttw 5:   0
ttw 6:   22
ttw 7:   62
ttw 8:   42
ttw 9:   14
ttw 10:   10
ttw 11:   6
ttw 12:   3
ttw 13:   1
ttw 14:   0
ttw 15:   0
ttw 16:   0

Interesting to note that there's a small difference between the TTW values of this deck for its 1.26 and 1.27 performances.  It's not so surprising, however.  The "new" AI caused the loss rate to nearly double, meaning that games which used to drag on longer were now discarded in order to get the TTW rating.  Other games which were usually shorter were dragged on longer to compensate for this loss of lengthy games...which is probably about the best I can surmise here.

Good news is that now that university business is over and done with I can focus on more important matters (such as this study)

Next on my list of testing is probably going to be V2 Lava Rush (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,11389.0.html) since it hasn't been completed within the several months after someone had already laid claims to it.  If whoever was testing it actually does have the stats for the deck, then please submit it before I go too crazy with testing, thanks.

[Calindu]

AI setting on high speed.

Mono Life Rush

Games: 200

Avg ttw:   7.769

Avg. sec/game: 72.905

Wins: 160

Losses: 40

Ems: 9

posted by - willng3

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5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bu 5bu 5bu 5bu 5bu 5bu 5c0 5c0 5c0 5c0 5c0 5c0 5c7 5c7 5c7 5c7 5c7 5c7 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5deGames:   200
   
avg. Sec/Game:   72.905
Sec/Turn:   8.789029536
Clicks/Game:   15.600
Clicks/Turn:   1.880650995
Score/Min:   9.534325492
Electrum/Min:   9.719497977
   
Time overall (min.):   243.017
Wins:   160
Ems:   9
Losses:   40
Score:   2317
Electrum:   2362
Avg ttw:   7.769

ttw 3:   0
ttw 4:   0
ttw 5:   0
ttw 6:   22
ttw 7:   62
ttw 8:   42
ttw 9:   14
ttw 10:   10
ttw 11:   6
ttw 12:   3
ttw 13:   1
ttw 14:   0
ttw 15:   0
ttw 16:   0

Interesting to note that there's a small difference between the TTW values of this deck for its 1.26 and 1.27 performances.  It's not so surprising, however.  The "new" AI caused the loss rate to nearly double, meaning that games which used to drag on longer were now discarded in order to get the TTW rating.  Other games which were usually shorter were dragged on longer to compensate for this loss of lengthy games...which is probably about the best I can surmise here.

Good news is that now that university business is over and done with I can focus on more important matters (such as this study)

Next on my list of testing is probably going to be V2 Lava Rush (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,11389.0.html) since it hasn't been completed within the several months after someone had already laid claims to it.  If whoever was testing it actually does have the stats for the deck, then please submit it before I go too crazy with testing, thanks.

Can you test my deck too?

[willng3]

Can you test my deck too?

Hmm.  There are a few choices in your card selection that I'm not sure fit with what you're trying to achieve.  I'll post these on your deck's thread since this isn't the place to discuss deck improvements, strategies, etc.  While I'm not saying that I won't test your deck, right now I'm just concerned its focus is not where it should be which may reduce the maximum potential speed your deck is able to produce.  I'd like to see you consider a few modifications before deciding this is the "best" that your deck can perform.

I only feel I must do this because we have had issues in the past of people submitting their own decks which are similar in function to others already tested on this study, or candidates still waiting to be transferred from the previous TTW Study to this one to compare the difference this update made on its speed.  If someone else comes along with a deck similar to yours which is either noticeably and conclusively faster or more efficient in terms of score, electrum, Win/Loss ratio, etc. then we may have to take that deck into greater consideration for posting/testing purposes.

[hrmmm]

Hey folks

Since jmdt is inactiv, i will go one and take care about this studys asides with willing3 (its about time, isnt it?).

To get this rolling again, i think we could use some more official tester.
So if you are interested to help us to get more reliable informations, please pm me or willing3.