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Stealth Tank | Stealth Tank https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50687.msg1091583#msg1091583
« on: August 09, 2013, 08:58:11 pm »
One before the last. Oh man, you won't guess what the Aether Tank will be like. 8) This image of the Stealth Tank is so blurry. :(

Spoiler for Hidden:

NAME:
Stealth Tank
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
4 :darkness
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
3 | 2
TEXT:
Enters play cloaked for 2 turns. Backstab: gets +10 attack for the turn when cloak is removed.
NAME:
Stealth Tank
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
4 :darkness
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
3 | 3
TEXT:
Enters play cloaked for 2 turns. Backstab: gets +10 attack for the turn when cloak is removed.

ART:
Submachine
IDEA:
Submachine
NOTES:
Stealth Tank enters play cloaked, but no other creatures get cloaked.
Backstab activates both when this personal cloak is over and both when a normal Cloak ends.
This Personal Cloak acts just like the normal Cloak. It appears as an image of the normal Cloak, but in the place of Stealth Tank's pic.
SERIES:
The Tank Collection

Spoiler for Hidden:
Original Tank Idea:

« Last Edit: September 08, 2013, 03:44:16 pm by Submachine »
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Re: Stealth Tank | Stealth Tank https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50687.msg1091588#msg1091588
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2013, 09:20:43 pm »
I like the idea of this tank. ;D Cloak is already a pretty good defensive card, but I don't think I'd consider this OP, especially considering the timer on Cloak.

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Re: Stealth Tank | Stealth Tank https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50687.msg1091858#msg1091858
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2013, 01:23:58 am »
So you find this idea ready for the Crucible? ;D
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Re: Stealth Tank | Stealth Tank https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50687.msg1091861#msg1091861
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2013, 01:43:18 am »
I'd wait for some other member's opinions, because honestly I'm not always too spot-on when it comes to balancing, aha. ;D;

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Re: Stealth Tank | Stealth Tank https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50687.msg1091928#msg1091928
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2013, 04:46:09 pm »
Compare to immortal.



Cloak is approximately equal to immortal. The 10 damage after cloak wears off is about equal to the fact that immaterial will not wear off.

+1 cost maybe?

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Re: Stealth Tank | Stealth Tank https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50687.msg1091934#msg1091934
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2013, 04:58:05 pm »
Cloak is approximately equal to immortal. The 10 damage after cloak wears off is about equal to the fact that immaterial will not wear off.

+1 cost maybe?

Maybe +1 cost or stat reduce to 3|3. But we have to take into account that this card is still vulnerable to AoE effects like thunderstorm, desiccation, pandemonium and RoF.
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Re: Stealth Tank | Stealth Tank https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50687.msg1091950#msg1091950
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2013, 07:20:20 pm »
None of those, aside from a lucky pandemonium, will actually kill the Stealth Tank. You would need to use multiple attacks just to kill a 4|4 creature.

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Re: Stealth Tank | Stealth Tank https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50687.msg1092018#msg1092018
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2013, 11:55:28 pm »
How would a single creature being cloaked look on the field? Would the cloak appear in the permanent stack, or where the Stealth tank is? Can the initial cloak be destroyed?

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Re: Stealth Tank | Stealth Tank https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50687.msg1092020#msg1092020
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2013, 12:01:12 am »
How would a single creature being cloaked look on the field? Would the cloak appear in the permanent stack, or where the Stealth tank is? Can the initial cloak be destroyed?
For the 3 question:
1, I think it'll be a black spot, but it's not implemented yet.
2, Only on the tank.
3, Mass effects negates it, but can't be PC-ed.

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Re: Stealth Tank | Stealth Tank https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50687.msg1092102#msg1092102
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2013, 12:30:13 pm »
None of those, aside from a lucky pandemonium, will actually kill the Stealth Tank. You would need to use multiple attacks just to kill a 4|4 creature.

Pandemonium's passive is to remove invisibility.

How would a single creature being cloaked look on the field? Would the cloak appear in the permanent stack, or where the Stealth tank is? Can the initial cloak be destroyed?

Cloak's card image would be showed instead of Stealth Tank's pic until the personal cloak wears off. It can only be destroyed by area effects since cloak disables targeting.

How would a single creature being cloaked look on the field? Would the cloak appear in the permanent stack, or where the Stealth tank is? Can the initial cloak be destroyed?
For the 3 question:
1, I think it'll be a black spot, but it's not implemented yet.
2, Only on the tank.
3, Mass effects negates it, but can't be PC-ed.

Wow, you got everything right. :D

Sky, for half-invulnerable creatures like Mary Celeste http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,50452.0.html maybe 2 HP would be the appropriate if change is considered. But because I'm a kind person, I make a poll coming right up. ;)
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Re: Stealth Tank | Stealth Tank https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50687.msg1092165#msg1092165
« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2013, 03:42:28 pm »
None of those, aside from a lucky pandemonium, will actually kill the Stealth Tank. You would need to use multiple attacks just to kill a 4|4 creature.

Pandemonium's passive is to remove invisibility.

... and the only way for it to actually kill the stealth tank is for it to cause lightning or shockwave.

All other area effect damage cards do 3 or less damage. You would need to use multiple attacks.

And I don't really see why you reminded me pandemonium removes invisibility. What did you think I was saying?

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Re: Stealth Tank | Stealth Tank https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50687.msg1092331#msg1092331
« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2013, 02:33:06 pm »
Stats are now balanced compared to Immortal. Or are they? Any suggestions to tweak or it is ready for crucible?
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