Elements Statistics

[FrozenFlame]

Hey everyone!

I and a friend (Jonybat) have been on a project - develop a website able to store all games against False Gods and automatically generate statistics.
Here's the address: http://elementsstatistics.gotdns.com/ (http://elementsstatistics.gotdns.com/)
and here's a demo on calculated statistics based on some battles inserted with a deck created: statistics (http://elementsstatistics.comxa.com/getstatistics.php?dv=2757956304)

To avoid any future issues i strongly recommend, on registration, to insert a different password from Elements (game or forum).

The project is not complete, more features will be added,
Please try it out and comment in here!

I would also enjoy some suggestions and/or bug reports please
For that you can contact me at Elements.Statistics[at]gmail[dot]com

~FrozenFlame & Jonybat


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Suggestions made:

- short_description (by who)

-Bad Draws -> Deck Outs (ScaredGirl) (done)
-statistic: (average) cards left in deck (ScaredGirl) (done)
-option: cancel battles (Cisco) (done)
-add other levels than FGs (Cisco) (in consideration. Long term, probably)
-add overall row to statistics (PuppyChow) (done)
-sortable statistics (icybraker) (done)

For the suggestions not done yet, they will take some time implementing, but they're being taken into consideration.

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From today (January 28th, 2010) on, accessing Elements Statistics while not logged in (or registered) will still let you use most of the features. However, changing anything while on that "logged in but not logged in" status will be shared with anyone else using that same "status". Think as if you would be logged in as 'guest', and that everyone knows the password of 'guest'.

This is to show the main content to newcomers so more people might want to join us:)

[Essence]

I'd love to register, but all I ever get is "username and password must both contain at least 5 characters", even if I type the whole alphabet for both of them.

[FrozenFlame]

hum :s
Did you add any special character to any of the fields?

[Scaredgirl]

That's pretty interesting, although the first time I saw your website, the word Phishing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phishing) came into my mind.

About the statistics.. I recommend you get rid of that "Bad Draw" as it is highly subjective and shouldn't have a place in cold-facts statistics like this one.

Good luck in your endeavor.

[Cisco]

Signed up will test it later on

[FrozenFlame]

@ ScaredGirl

I thought it could be interesting to figure out which deck is in fact more effective.

as a forced example:
100 battles against same god with 2 different decks. you get 90 bad draws with one, and 10 wins. and you get 10 bad draws with the other, and 20 wins (so, 70 losses). The first one could possibly be more effective.


We're trying to work on the "version-on-regist" bug and i'd like to figure out why couldn't Essence sign up,
i'll keep in touch in here

[Cisco]

I agree with SG here. Bad draw is not a statistik. I´ts simply a bad deck design imo.

[Scaredgirl]

@ ScaredGirl

I thought it could be interesting to figure out which deck is in fact more effective.

as a forced example:
100 battles against same god with 2 different decks. you get 90 bad draws with one, and 10 wins. and you get 10 bad draws with the other, and 20 wins (so, 70 losses). The first one could possibly be more effective.

Yeah, but my point is that what is a "bad draw"?

It's a highly subjective term that people can interpret in different ways, therefore it sucks for statistics.

You guys should add:

cards left in the deck after a win (helps to determine whether your deck is too big or not)

decked-out (helps to determine how often you lose by decking out so you can maybe take more cards if needed)

Finding the optimal deck size is one of the most important things deck building.

[FrozenFlame]

Yes i reckon you guys are right on that.
Replacing Bad Draws by Decking out should be quite easy.
The other suggestions made by SG will take more time,
but all of them were noted down and will be taken into consideration,
Thanks

ps.: "no-version-on-register" bug fixed.

[Essence]

hum :s
Did you add any special character to any of the fields?

Nope, just lowercase letters and numbers.  Could the problem be the Opera browser?

[FrozenFlame]

I have added more descriptive error messages on an attempt to login or register, and a slight improvement.

About the Opera browser it didn't occur to me. I don't think so since it was a server validation error, not a client sided one, i will check into that tomorrow though.

However please test it again and you'll know if it's the username or the password, we might understand where the problem is.
In the meantime, you can login with the account whose username is "guest" and password is "guest" to check functionalities:)

I'm sorry for any inconvenience

~off for the night. have fun

[Lanidrak]

Interesting...

I have an issue when creating an account:

'You have no permission to be here' (or something along those lines, it is late where i am, apologies!)

Tried with username crazydiamond / abc123test. Using Chrome browser.

So i just logged in with guest/guest and it does look nice, keep working on it ...


Edit: Maybe if in the long run you could use the source-code for the game (with Zanzarino's permission of course) to create a simulator. An obvious example that springs to mind would be the http://websim.speedsim.net/ (http://websim.speedsim.net/) - A battle calculator for the popular space strategy game at www.ogame.org (http://www.ogame.org). However that's enough about that.

As I was saying, a sort of stripped down game engine with none of the graphics/etc just simply the AI, the Cards in your chosen deck and then the game mechanics to work it out.

So you would enter your 30 to 60 cards. A bit like the Bazaar/Manage Deck function in the game already, choose your False God Opponent and hit 'Run Simulation' with the option of saying how many times you want it to run the simulation (I guess between 20 and 100). Then it will return results as to Win, Loss, Deck-Out, Bad Draw (maybe you can enter specific criteria to constitute as a bad draw - probably, No Pillars/No Sundials or 1 Pillar/No Sundials)...

This would obviously only be in the very distant future when this sort of application becomes available (the mechanics of a ogame.org battle as I understand it is extremely simple). Whereas, the mechanics of an entire game against a False God where a game could last potentially 60 turns. And ultimately, it would have to be AI vs AI for the simulation and therefore you have to disregard the statistics in some way or another (unless the AI can be improved to near human levels hehehe .

Anyways, just don't mind this edit...

It is nice, and just what the Deck-Building side of Elements needed in my oppinion... No longer can someone submit an 'ULTIMATE' (or any other amazing descriptive word) and claim that it has 80% win rate against False Gods when in reality the person has only played 30 games and got lucky .

Good night.