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Re: War - Rules https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13006.msg175455#msg175455
« Reply #72 on: October 13, 2010, 09:36:57 am »
Possible loophole to make for a more exploitable Vault:

Instead of taking a large amount of Pillars/Pends, instead take none, and simply fill up what would have been Pillars with more useful cards like near-useless creatures (In the case of Earth, it'd be Gemfinders. There's really no use for having more than 6) and then just whatever else your element has to offer. When matches are announced, convert only the amount of pillars you need from trash cards, (or just cards you won't need) enabling you to have a much "larger" Vault.

Is there going to be some limits to the card conversion?
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Re: War - Rules https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13006.msg175457#msg175457
« Reply #73 on: October 13, 2010, 09:40:59 am »
Possible loophole to make for a more exploitable Vault:

Instead of taking a large amount of Pillars/Pends, instead take none, and simply fill up what would have been Pillars with more useful cards like near-useless creatures (In the case of Earth, it'd be Gemfinders. There's really no use for having more than 6) and then just whatever else your element has to offer. When matches are announced, convert only the amount of pillars you need from trash cards, (or just cards you won't need) enabling you to have a much "larger" Vault.

Is there going to be some limits to the card conversion?
Yes. I decided to fix this exploit by having a 12 card conversion limit per round. This means that teams can convert a maximum of 12 cards per round.

It's simple and should do the trick.

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Re: War - Rules https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13006.msg176777#msg176777
« Reply #74 on: October 15, 2010, 05:40:43 am »
Im trying to read up on all the rules and not ask stupid questions... but, well, here goes:

1) do converted cards return back to their non pillar state when you return them to the vault?

2) Is there an order or format that dictates who on the team fights next, or is it up to the general? If so, could the general simply choose to fight all matches his/her self?

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Re: War - Rules https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13006.msg176783#msg176783
« Reply #75 on: October 15, 2010, 05:51:41 am »
Im trying to read up on all the rules and not ask stupid questions... but, well, here goes:

1) do converted cards return back to their non pillar state when you return them to the vault?

2) Is there an order or format that dictates who on the team fights next, or is it up to the general? If so, could the general simply choose to fight all matches his/her self?

thanks  8)
1. Nope. Converting is permanent.

2. Teams manage a topic that lists all the team members in numerical order. Warmasters use this list to see how is fighting and who is not.

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Re: War - Rules https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13006.msg177243#msg177243
« Reply #76 on: October 15, 2010, 10:59:02 pm »
Ok so I know what I am about to say will most likely not happen, but in the extremely rare case of an EM win for 2 out of 3 games (making up one match), will there be any bonus for that? Like, salvaging an extra 3 cards or something?
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Re: War - Rules https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13006.msg177423#msg177423
« Reply #77 on: October 16, 2010, 05:19:19 am »
Ok so I know what I am about to say will most likely not happen, but in the extremely rare case of an EM win for 2 out of 3 games (making up one match), will there be any bonus for that? Like, salvaging an extra 3 cards or something?
Basic rules don't give bonuses like that. However, we will have a random Event Cards for each round which, in theory, could give bonuses like this.

Re: War - Rules https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13006.msg177536#msg177536
« Reply #78 on: October 16, 2010, 12:04:43 pm »
Ok so I know what I am about to say will most likely not happen, but in the extremely rare case of an EM win for 2 out of 3 games (making up one match), will there be any bonus for that? Like, salvaging an extra 3 cards or something?
Basic rules don't give bonuses like that. However, we will have a random Event Cards for each round which, in theory, could give bonuses like this.
This sound really interesting. Not that there will many EMs, but it just adds a little fun in the War.  ;D

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Re: War - Rules https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13006.msg177538#msg177538
« Reply #79 on: October 16, 2010, 12:12:46 pm »
So, will we have Event cards every round or only once in a while?
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Re: War - Rules https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13006.msg177543#msg177543
« Reply #80 on: October 16, 2010, 12:18:47 pm »
So, will we have Event cards every round or only once in a while?
We will have one Event Cards per round. Card images have already been produced and put in random order in the secret Warmaster section. When Warmasters start round topics, they will include in that topic one Event Card which is in affect during that round.

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Re: War - Rules https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13006.msg178144#msg178144
« Reply #81 on: October 17, 2010, 08:00:41 am »
it is still unclear what the difference between a Substitute, Lieutenant and any other player subbing for someone else in regard to salvaging cards from the opponent

it is clear that any other sub wont get to salvage any cards at all...
Substitute (official) will get to salvage half 3 cards
but how about Lieutenant? does he get full or halved 3 cards like Substitute? because from the description, its weird saying Lt. get to sub for anyone...but then saying anyone can sub anyone

any explanation is much appreciated

super quick edit:
seems like the description for Lt. has changed

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Lieutenant is second in command. He/she can temporarily replace any team member, including the General.
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2. Lieutenant
Lieutenant is second in command. If one team member is unable to perform his or her duties, the Lieutenant is responsible for performing the job of that team member. Lieutenant will not get any bonuses when replacing the General or the Substitute during duel phase.
but it is still unclear, does it means he get to salvage cards IF he subs for someone other than Gen. or Subs.? or none at all as any other members? does it means no other members can sub for anyone?

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Re: War - Rules https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13006.msg178157#msg178157
« Reply #82 on: October 17, 2010, 08:56:21 am »
it is still unclear what the difference between a Substitute, Lieutenant and any other player subbing for someone else in regard to salvaging cards from the opponent

it is clear that any other sub wont get to salvage any cards at all...
Substitute (official) will get to salvage half 3 cards
but how about Lieutenant? does he get full or halved 3 cards like Substitute? because from the description, its weird saying Lt. get to sub for anyone...but then saying anyone can sub anyone

any explanation is much appreciated

super quick edit:
seems like the description for Lt. has changed

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2. Lieutenant
Lieutenant is second in command. He/she can temporarily replace any team member, including the General.
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2. Lieutenant
Lieutenant is second in command. If one team member is unable to perform his or her duties, the Lieutenant is responsible for performing the job of that team member. Lieutenant will not get any bonuses when replacing the General or the Substitute during duel phase.
but it is still unclear, does it means he get to salvage cards IF he subs for someone other than Gen. or Subs.? or none at all as any other members? does it means no other members can sub for anyone?
Lieutenant is like a "2nd General" without any "special abilities".

The part about Lieutenant replacing other members doesn't meant that he/she becomes them. It simply means that if one member, for example Vault Organizer, goes offline, Lieutenant is responsible for doing the Vault organizing.

This role was designed to prevent a situation where one player goes offline, and nothing happens because everyone assumes that someone else will step in (see War #1).

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Re: War - Rules https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13006.msg178259#msg178259
« Reply #83 on: October 17, 2010, 01:34:26 pm »
Lieutenant will not get any bonuses when replacing the General or the Substitute during duel phase.
I'll take this as Lieutenant can't use upped cards if subbing for General, and salvages zero cards when subbing for anyone.

Errr... I'd kind of assumed the General would manage the vault if the Vault Organizer goes MIA, etc.  So now the Lieutenant only has responsibilities if both a team member and the General are unavailable, which makes him slightly more valuable than the team's Rookie.  If Lietenant can sub for everybody else, maybe we could let him sub for the sub as well?

Also, I hadn't seen the rule clarification in the opening post until kobis pointed it out.  If the War Rules undergo even a cosmetic change, posting the rule change is helpful.

 

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