Oracle : Incarnate

[majofa]

that's why i didn't post his deck on the first post.. because it's not good for playing against Incarnate..

[jmizzle7]

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[Avenger]

The first post's deck is crippled (mark should be fire).

[majofa]

The first post's deck is crippled (mark should be fire).

Thanks.. fixed

[icecoldbro]

i was doubting the deck when i started but it worked won with EM and won my first eclipse WOOT
(http://imageplay.net/es/view/m7Gbd78390/imcarnate_beast)

[suxerz]

Knowing that I'll be facing Incarnate from Oracle, I decided to use the classic fire stall + phase shield deck since he has no permanent control. Probably almost everyone knows about this but I just wanted to share my experience just now. I won with EM - didn't win any card though. 



Too lazy to calculate the damage, at first I thought I'm not going to make it with only 118 fire quanta. Someone with good math may be able to calculate the minimum quanta to kill 200 HP with 6 unupgraded fire bolts.


Below is the deck that I'm using. I'm aware that TS mentioned no rares or upgraded cards, but Fahrenheit and SoG is not necessary to win. Fahrenheit was not working at all due to bone wall and SoG is just to achive EM.

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[TheonlyrealBeef]

Too lazy to calculate the damage, at first I thought I'm not going to make it with only 118 fire quanta. Someone with good math may be able to calculate the minimum quanta to kill 200 HP with 6 unupgraded fire bolts.

I did some math, and I believe the minimum required amount of Fire quanta is 113, when using unupped Fire Bolts, when using upped 110 will suffice. Since in both cases you'll do exactly 201 damage.

Some advice: replace Fahrenheit with Fire pillars, cause you really don't benefit from Fahrenheit, do you?

Edit: seeing the lower deck makes me think about a different deck, namely the one below, for more consistency:
Question Marks are Aether Pendulums

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[suxerz]

I did some math, and I believe the minimum required amount of Fire quanta is 113, when using unupped Fire Bolts, when using upped 110 will suffice. Since in both cases you'll do exactly 201 damage.

Thanks for the calculation, I'm really bad at math nowadays. However, are you sure the difference is only 3 quanta? Because the cost difference is already 2 per card. 6 cards need to be played so shouldn't the gap is wider? I tried to calculate but my brain fails me badly.

I agree Fahrenheit is totally useless here - I was actually hoping that somehow he couldn't create a chain of bone walls, but yeah it is almost impossible for that.

As for the deck you suggested, it might work but I don't think all fire pillars need to be replaced with pendulums. I feel it will lack fire quanta and too much aether quanta.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

I did some math, and I believe the minimum required amount of Fire quanta is 113, when using unupped Fire Bolts, when using upped 110 will suffice. Since in both cases you'll do exactly 201 damage.

Thanks for the calculation, I'm really bad at math nowadays. However, are you sure the difference is only 3 quanta? Because the cost difference is already 2 per card. 6 cards need to be played so shouldn't the gap is wider? I tried to calculate but my brain fails me badly.

I agree Fahrenheit is totally useless here - I was actually hoping that somehow he couldn't create a chain of bone walls, but yeah it is almost impossible for that.

As for the deck you suggested, it might work but I don't think all fire pillars need to be replaced with pendulums. I feel it will lack fire quanta and too much aether quanta.

Well with 113 Fire quanta it will do 36 + 36 + 33 + 33 + 33 + 30 damage unupped, upped it does 36 + 33 + 33 + 33 + 33 + 33 damage with 110 Fire quanta.
Remember that the damage from Fire Lance and Fire Bolt are equal with equal quanta, Fire Bolt just drains it faster.

[suxerz]

Aah.. I got it now. Thanks for explaining the details. I'm glad that I stalled until the very final turn or else I would've lost!

[majofa]

I'll test the deck out today.

EMs aren't always necessary, when we're talking about unupped decks. They're to help newer players use inexpensive decks to beat a FG and possibly get an upped card.

[underground cat lair]

Tried this deck today, as posted plus
one upgraded pillar replaced one regular
one upgraded anti-matter replaced one regular
one SoD added

I couldn't get enough quanta in the opening rounds to anti-matter incarnate's vampires so I had to kill a few with paradox.  This was my undoing as I could only anti-matter two of them and decked out (incarnate had 40 hp left) to lose because my Demons couldn't get through the bonewalls to help.  Also made the mistake of anti-mattering a couple skeletons instead of the vampires...don't waste your cards on them like this.   Also, (especially if you are short on quanta) only use the butterfly effect against boneyards. 

But that said, if I had played this deck right I could have won so I endorse it.  Though I would add an entropy pillar if I did it again because antimatter is the most important card against this opponent and it costs 8.