[Old] How to Post A Card Idea

[karis]

requesting your comment for that card.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,8518.0.htm  aerial weapon | surreal weapon
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,8478.0.html  ocean pearl | ocean heart
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,8432.0.html  colt | micro colt

i know that all don't have artist name and link to card picture   i will do it as fast as i can 

[PuppyChow]

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,8486.new.html#new

Dangerous Trickster | Malicious Trickster submitted for review.

[Boingo]

I'm not sure where to post this, so if there's a better thread please move it.  Thanks!

WE HAVE A PROBLEM
One problem I'm finding is the overwhelming number of card ideas that are accumulating in the Lvl 1 Crucible (and will likely occur to a lesser degree at the upper levels as time goes on.)  It's great to see the enthusiasm for the game and the creative element of the forum community.   The number of card ideas is not the issue per se but the voting system.

Currently, votes accumulate on cards and I doubt there is little vote changing or review of vote choices as new cards are added.  That means that older card ideas get more votes since there were fewer choices in the beginning and they've had longer time to accumulate votes.  A new idea, then, has an uphill battle since it comes in with 0 votes while an older idea may already have 20-30 votes in its favor.  Given an infinite amount of time, every halfway decent older cards will all be advanced if only through inertia and the newer cards will all have to wait in line till they've become the oldest cards in the group.

An example:    currently has 30 card ideas (Crucible) and has 3 card ideas with 20 or more votes (2 others have been advanced to Lvl2).  They were originally posted May 19, 20 and 26 and the first comments in the Crucible thread is May 19 which we'll take to be the beginning of the voting process.  In contrast, the 3 newest ideas have 1, 1 and 3 votes.  Are those newer ideas that much worse than the earlier cards?

It's possible that the oldest ideas are in fact the best ideas and therefore deserve the greatest number of votes.  We as a community are thus becoming less and less creative as time goes by.  But I think a more likely phenomenon is that we are merely advancing cards that have had the benefit of running for office for a longer period of time.

This is NOT what I think the card idea system was meant to do.  I believe we were aiming to advance the best ideas and not the first ideas. 

SO HOW DO WE FIX IT?
I don't have all the mechanics worked out, but the best solution is to reset the voting polls each month and see which ideas accumulate the most votes each month.  It will, of course, mean that members will have to vote more often but they will be more likely to review what's new as opposed to leaving their old votes in place.  It will slightly benefit the cards in place at the beginning of the month as opposed to those added just before the vote, but this advantage disappears with the next month (since they will both be in place for the entire month and start with 0 votes.)

Any thoughts?

[Kael Hate]

I'm not sure where to post this, so if there's a better thread please move it.  Thanks!

WE HAVE A PROBLEM
One problem I'm finding is the overwhelming number of card ideas that are accumulating in the Lvl 1 Crucible (and will likely occur to a lesser degree at the upper levels as time goes on.)  It's great to see the enthusiasm for the game and the creative element of the forum community.   The number of card ideas is not the issue per se but the voting system.

Currently, votes accumulate on cards and I doubt there is little vote changing or review of vote choices as new cards are added.  That means that older card ideas get more votes since there were fewer choices in the beginning and they've had longer time to accumulate votes.  A new idea, then, has an uphill battle since it comes in with 0 votes while an older idea may already have 20-30 votes in its favor.  Given an infinite amount of time, every halfway decent older cards will all be advanced if only through inertia and the newer cards will all have to wait in line till they've become the oldest cards in the group.

An example:    currently has 30 card ideas (Crucible) and has 3 card ideas with 20 or more votes (2 others have been advanced to Lvl2).  They were originally posted May 19, 20 and 26 and the first comments in the Crucible thread is May 19 which we'll take to be the beginning of the voting process.  In contrast, the 3 newest ideas have 1, 1 and 3 votes.  Are those newer ideas that much worse than the earlier cards?

It's possible that the oldest ideas are in fact the best ideas and therefore deserve the greatest number of votes.  We as a community are thus becoming less and less creative as time goes by.  But I think a more likely phenomenon is that we are merely advancing cards that have had the benefit of running for office for a longer period of time.

This is NOT what I think the card idea system was meant to do.  I believe we were aiming to advance the best ideas and not the first ideas. 

SO HOW DO WE FIX IT?
I don't have all the mechanics worked out, but the best solution is to reset the voting polls each month and see which ideas accumulate the most votes each month.  It will, of course, mean that members will have to vote more often but they will be more likely to review what's new as opposed to leaving their old votes in place.  It will slightly benefit the cards in place at the beginning of the month as opposed to those added just before the vote, but this advantage disappears with the next month (since they will both be in place for the entire month and start with 0 votes.)

Any thoughts?

Voting polls in the crucible are reduced to 0 every time a card moves up from the Crucible to the Forge. A Card that recieves 1 or less votes will be removed from the crucible. Cards that were not present when the voting was last reduced to 0 and came in late are marked with a * which protects them from being removed from the crucible.

On monday night after a darkness, air and aether card are moved up, the votes for those 3 polls will go back to 0 and start again.


Edit -
I was just in the Other Cards Crucible Section - http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,5517.0.html and of the 21 cards there the one that was added second last on the list is actually the wining candidate so far. This seems to be against your point that older cards will overshadow the newer cards on the list. I would say the card that came second last round is now coming 4th so those who like it the most are sticking with it in all likelyhood but its not the card the majority of the community wants.

[Boingo]

Voting polls in the crucible are reduced to 0 every time a card moves up from the Crucible to the Forge. A Card that recieves 1 or less votes will be removed from the crucible. Cards that were not present when the voting was last reduced to 0 and came in late are marked with a * which protects them from being removed from the crucible.

On monday night after a darkness, air and aether card are moved up, the votes for those 3 polls will go back to 0 and start again.

Thank you for your prompt response.  I stand corrected as to the voting renewal process--I hadn't seen it spelled out anywhere in the forums previously.

[johannhowitzer]

A new victim, my liege!

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,8700.new.html#new

[PhantomFox]

Mad Scientist: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,8061.0.html
and Astral Tiger: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,8385.0.html
are ready for review

[GG]

My two new cards await your judgment, o curator.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,8697.0.html  - Nymph | Nymph (Elite)

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,8707.0.html  - Fly | Fly (Elite)

(might have switched the two)

[ratcharmer]

Hi,

I just tried to post a couple of card ideas, and I'm having trouble getting the images to show up.
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,8726.0.html
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,8723.0.html

I used SG template from this thread to post them, and Planplan's image builder (found here: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,7251.0.html)

I have the card images saved to my forum account and used that link.

I put a note on the card pages asking for help with getting the images to show up, but they're being largely ignored without images of the cards to look at.

Could someone let me know what I'm doing wrong?

*edit* okay after messing with it for a while I got the images to post, but they're much smaller than they should be

[johannhowitzer]

First you need to host the cards on a free image server, I recommend imageshack.  After you've uploaded it, copy the link from the "Direct link" box and paste into the card template.

[BluePriest]

Submitting wildfire

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,8722.msg109700#msg109700

[ratcharmer]

I think my fountain is finally ready for the crucible

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,8723.new.html#new

Thanks!