Harmonic Pillar | Harmonic Tower

[guy_fawkes]

why not?
i suppose we all agree that quantum pillars are balanced compared to the other pillars...
so why this mechanic should boost only mono pillars?

and it's just 1 random quanta per cluster, not a big deal...

[Kael Hate]

why not?
i suppose we all agree that quantum pillars are balanced compared to the other pillars...
so why this mechanic should boost only mono pillars?

and it's just 1 random quanta per cluster, not a big deal...

But could it do without it?

Unlike normal Pillars and Towers that just need 1 added to the cluster count when processing, Quantum Pillars and Towers (and any future non-basic Pillar/Tower) would require a special calculation outside the normal cluster multiplier to handle the way it generates quanta.

If we allow it work like it does for Basic Pillars/Towers then Quantum Pillars/Towers will be throwing out an extra 3 further accelerating the in game issue where Quantity out classes quality. (See arguments about Nova ruining the curve due to Large free quanta source) Note this seems like a contra statement because the Harmonic pillar itself generates an excess of quanta but with the Harmonic Pillar you get nothing until create a situation but in combination with quantum pillar you get another Quantum pillar equivalent offsetting the cost of the Harmonic Pillar and then getting a benefit on top of that for each additional basic pillar. Quanta Tower already offsets the Harmonic Pillars cost it does not need additional synergy, in my opinion.

[guy_fawkes]

if you say it's more an implementation problem, i have no arguments against it, since i don't know the source code for these type of mechanics ( i suppose every cluster could be associated with a variable containing the quanta types the cluster can produce, 1 type for basic clusters, 12 types for quantum towers clusters, in the future maybe dual-pillars that can produce either one type or the other...)

i am against too the solution that the harmonic produces 3 quanta for every quantum cluster because it would be overkill...
but producing one seems fair and not broken (think that if you swapped a quantum tower for a harmonic tower you could have 6 random quanta + the 3 quanta generated during the act of playing it compared to 4 random quanta )

[rotface]

between this and quantum flash my fav 2 idk witch is better

[OldTrees]

how would this affect pendulums?

[Kael Hate]

how would this affect pendulums?

At the moment it wouldn't. The pendulums aren't basic Pillars.

If they were to be added to the list of things the Harmonic pillar effects then it would be the same as a pillar and ad one to the stack. Ie. 1 Aether Pillar, 1 Time Pendulum, 1 Darkness Mark, I Harmonic Pillar would make. 2 2 1 one turn and 2 3 on the other. Harmonic Tower adds 1 in both cases.

[masterada]

i made a similar pillar some days ago, and now i find this 
seems like i wont sign up for crucible, but still, ill link my topic here
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,11340.0.html (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,11340.0.html)
the purpose is the same (a pillar for duo/trio decks), and both has its pros and cons
the main diff would be, that mine supports 2color+3rd color mark+the new pendulums, but u need to look out not to use up all ur quanta of a given color (+can countered by discord)

personally i still prefer my variation ^^, but ill be happy to see either 1 in game (we really need a boost for multi color (not rainbow) decks)

[Cloudstorm2]

how would this affect pendulums?

At the moment it wouldn't. The pendulums aren't basic Pillars.

If they were to be added to the list of things the Harmonic pillar effects then it would be the same as a pillar and ad one to the stack. Ie. 1 Aether Pillar, 1 Time Pendulum, 1 Darkness Mark, I Harmonic Pillar would make. 2 2 1 one turn and 2 3 on the other. Harmonic Tower adds 1 in both cases.

Wait, there's something wrong here: you said harmonic tower will add  to pendulum's effect in any case but the quanta you described don't follow this rule. If the harmonic tower would add only  the quanta would be 2 1 2 one turn and 2 3 the other

[Gocubbies1212]

love it.  nothing to add but it seems very useful.

[Kael Hate]

how would this affect pendulums?

At the moment it wouldn't. The pendulums aren't basic Pillars.

If they were to be added to the list of things the Harmonic pillar effects then it would be the same as a pillar and ad one to the stack. Ie. 1 Aether Pillar, 1 Time Pendulum, 1 Darkness Mark, I Harmonic Pillar would make. 2 2 1 one turn and 2 3 on the other. Harmonic Tower adds 1 in both cases.

Wait, there's something wrong here: you said harmonic tower will add  to pendulum's effect in any case but the quanta you described don't follow this rule. If the harmonic tower would add only  the quanta would be 2 1 2 one turn and 2 3 the other

The difference between the Harmonic Pillar and Harmonic Tower is that it increases the mark by 1 also, thats where the 1 came from and has nothing to do with the pendulum.

[Aves]

How would nymph queens/tears affect this?

You said that quantum towers and pendulums aren't 'basic' pillars; but since nymph's tears work on them, then a logical conclusion would be that all pillars, regardless of whether they are basic or not, are affected by nymph's tears. Thus, harmonic pillars would also be affected... how would that work?

[Kael Hate]

How would nymph queens/tears affect this?

You said that quantum towers and pendulums aren't 'basic' pillars; but since nymph's tears work on them, then a logical conclusion would be that all pillars, regardless of whether they are basic or not, are affected by nymph's tears. Thus, harmonic pillars would also be affected... how would that work?

Harmonic Pillar isn't going to work with Nymph Queen, but if it was going to, it would generate a random Nymph as the Pillar is other, the same as Quantum Pillar. Nymph works on the targets element, not its quanta production.