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Card Design Challenge: Passive Abilities https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25540.msg325781#msg325781
« on: May 03, 2011, 01:41:41 pm »

We are looking to develop new passive abilities. In the Idea Factory abilities have been defined:
Please Design up to 3 cards. It can be a Creature or Permanent with a passive ability or a spell that gives the passive ability.
The Duration of the challenge Starting 05/11/2011 will depend on the incoming submissions. If the thread goes dead from this point any current submissions will be polled. What I mean by dead is no submissions for 3 days.
Make a thread for your idea then link it here.
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[url=***INSERT LINK HERE***]***INSERT IDEA NAME HERE***[/url]After the 10 days, I will put up a poll with all the suggested cards on this thread. You may continue to create and submit ideas while the poll is up.

Primary challenge develop a passive ability.
Secondary challenge combine an active ability with the active that fits thematically.(not required)

couldnt find anything in the dev notes forum, admittedly it doesnt go back all the way.  SG did a write up on them here, but its mostly already known stuff- http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/basics/abilities/ . interestingly however she herself breaks down active abilities into the two groupings.  if we were to come up with new names for the three categories of abilities i would suggest

A) activated - requires clicking, can be lobotomized.  example : Phase Spider
activated : past participle, past tense of ac·ti·vate (Verb)
1. Make (something) active or operative.
   

B) innate - does not require clicking, can be lobotomized. example: Vampire
in·nate/iˈnāt/Adjective
1. Inborn; natural.


C) perpetual - does not require clicking, cannot be lobotomized, can potentially be removed by specific abilities such as web. example : Mummy
adjective /pərˈpeCHo͞oəl/ 
1. Never ending or changing


And after this breakdown, some creatures' skills may make more sense switching categories.  And I would suggest opening it up so you can have multiple innate abilities and mutliple perpetual abilities, but only one activated ability, as the way the game is currently coded you cannot select within lists of abilities to use.  although that may be interesting to do, it will probably be a coding nightmare.

Our main problem is in game the popup box calls Perpetual abilities Passive.
Since Lobotomy removes 1 Activated or Innate skill, creatures will only have 1 Activated or Innate skill.

Lets start this naming transition.
Activated Active --> Activated
Automatic Active --> Innate
Passive --> Perpetual


What we are looking for.
-originality in concept
-originality in mechanics
-compatibilty with general game mechanics
-synergy potential with other card/elements
-appropriate within game boundaries (OP or not OP or UP)
I think Permanents can have a passive ability as well.

Submissions
Gnawrt | Gnawrt (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,21520.msg294017#msg294017)
Emerging Beast | Emerging Beast (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,25673.new.html#new)
Body Guard|Body Guard (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,26119.new.html#new)
Fire Guard | Flame Guard (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,26251.0.html)
Faded One | Evanescent (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,25057.0.html)
Shadow | Greater Shadow (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,26262.msg357212#msg357212)
Shadower | Elite Shadower (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,26180)
Stone Guardian|Stone Warrior (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,26295.new.html#new)
Cinderling | Cinderling (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,26325.0.html)
Pride | Pride (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,26459)
Graviton Buckler | Graviton Aegis (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,26461.0.html)

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Re: Card Design Challenge: Passive Abilities https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25540.msg325795#msg325795
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2011, 02:00:37 pm »
Just to clarify
Looking for passive abilities, which cannot be lobotomized, such as airborne, voodoo, etc... ?

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Re: Card Design Challenge: Passive Abilities https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25540.msg325801#msg325801
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2011, 02:07:27 pm »
Does a passive abilitiy need to be positive?

I have an idea in mind about a passive ability that can be used to balance cards by giving it a disadvantage:
fragile - A creature/permanent with this ability is destroyed when targeted with a card. (Even it is a buff etc.)

By this you can stop abuse by fractal for example. Or a permanent with a real good active ability cannot be protected by PA.
What dio you think?

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Re: Card Design Challenge: Passive Abilities https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25540.msg325807#msg325807
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2011, 02:20:50 pm »
Not a bad idea, the fragile one.
Here are a few :
Out of phase : everything targeting the creature has a 50% chance to miss

Sleepy : this creature has a chance to be stunned every turn.

Splitting : each time this creature is hit by an effect, it is divided into two creatures, both having half the creatures stats (rounded down). If the creature has only 1 HP, it is destroyed.

Assassin : targets creatures instead of player.
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Re: Card Design Challenge: Passive Abilities https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25540.msg325808#msg325808
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2011, 02:21:59 pm »
I think this is a really good idea.


Does a passive abilitiy need to be positive?

I have an idea in mind about a passive ability that can be used to balance cards by giving it a disadvantage:
fragile - A creature/permanent with this ability is destroyed when targeted with a card. (Even it is a buff etc.)

By this you can stop abuse by fractal for example. Or a permanent with a real good active ability cannot be protected by PA.
What dio you think?

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Re: Card Design Challenge: Passive Abilities https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25540.msg325812#msg325812
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2011, 02:28:24 pm »
I think this is a really good idea.


Does a passive abilitiy need to be positive?

I have an idea in mind about a passive ability that can be used to balance cards by giving it a disadvantage:
fragile - A creature/permanent with this ability is destroyed when targeted with a card. (Even it is a buff etc.)

By this you can stop abuse by fractal for example. Or a permanent with a real good active ability cannot be protected by PA.
What dio you think?
Thanks  :)

I thought about a creature with this ability but never submitted it. Maybe I should think it over  :D

Not a bad idea, the fragile one.
Here are a few :
Out of phase : everything targeting the creature has a 50% chance to miss If I remember right something similar was made already.

Sleepy : this creature has a chance to be stunned every turn. hmm... don't know about this

Splitting : each time this creature is hit by an effect, it is divided into two creatures, both having half the creatures stats (rounded down). If the creature has only 1 HP, it is destroyed. Also done on card ideas if I remember right

Assassin : targets creatures instead of player. Something I really miss in this game  :D Nice

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Re: Card Design Challenge: Passive Abilities https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25540.msg325834#msg325834
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2011, 03:04:55 pm »
please design a card for ideas.
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Re: Card Design Challenge: Passive Abilities https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25540.msg325848#msg325848
« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2011, 03:27:10 pm »
Something like this

NAME:
Ice palace
ELEMENT:
water
COST:
4 :water
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
All creatures enter the game frozen
Fragile - This card will be destroyed if targeted
NAME:
Ice palace
ELEMENT:
Water
COST:
5 :water
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
All opponent creatures enter the game frozen
Fragile - This card will be destroyed if targeted

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Re: Card Design Challenge: Passive Abilities https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25540.msg325857#msg325857
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2011, 03:35:36 pm »
I think so, but the one thing I will need OldTrees to better define is, how to tell the difference between Innate Active and Perpetual Passive.
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Re: Card Design Challenge: Passive Abilities https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25540.msg325957#msg325957
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2011, 05:38:54 pm »
I think so, but the one thing I will need OldTrees to better define is, how to tell the difference between Innate Active and Perpetual Passive.
If lobo targeted the card it would remove Innate (Automatic Active) but not Perpetual (Passives)


Permanents can have passives: Damage Reduction is a passive ability while Thorn Carapace's infection is an Innate ability
Passives can be negative or positive. (However negative passives should have a reason to be there)

Fragile does not do much on a permanent right now but has a major effect on creatures. (almost all targeting currently destroys it. Steal is an exception)

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Re: Card Design Challenge: Passive Abilities https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25540.msg325958#msg325958
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2011, 05:40:30 pm »
Fragile does not do much on a permanent right now but has a major effect on creatures. (almost all targeting currently destroys it. Steal is an exception)
Actually, there is PA.
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Re: Card Design Challenge: Passive Abilities https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25540.msg325964#msg325964
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2011, 05:43:03 pm »
I think so, but the one thing I will need OldTrees to better define is, h
Fragile does not do much on a permanent right now but has a major effect on creatures. (almost all targeting currently destroys it. Steal is an exception)
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