[Official] Fire Spirit | Fire Spectre

[BluePriest]

The increased cost of the spectre makes him worse in any fast deck. Spirit is fine as it is, but the upgraded version should actually be better and needs a buff.

No, its not. The upped can occasionally be faster than the unupped, but the unupped is NEVER faster. Here is how it is.
Spirit=2 summoning.
Specter=3 summoning.

Play Spirit and do no damage. Wait a turn, then use ablaze for 1 to do 2 damage for a total of 3 and 2 turns.
Play Specter and do 2 damage for a total of 3 and 1 turn

[Antagon]

The increased cost of the spectre makes him worse in any fast deck. Spirit is fine as it is, but the upgraded version should actually be better and needs a buff.

No, its not. The upped can occasionally be faster than the unupped, but the unupped is NEVER faster. Here is how it is.
Spirit=2 summoning.
Specter=3 summoning.

Play Spirit and do no damage. Wait a turn, then use ablaze for 1 to do 2 damage for a total of 3 and 2 turns.
Play Specter and do 2 damage for a total of 3 and 1 turn

it COULD be => opponents discord.

[MrBlonde]

The increased cost of the spectre makes him worse in any fast deck. Spirit is fine as it is, but the upgraded version should actually be better and needs a buff.

No, its not. The upped can occasionally be faster than the unupped, but the unupped is NEVER faster. Here is how it is.
Spirit=2 summoning.
Specter=3 summoning.

Play Spirit and do no damage. Wait a turn, then use ablaze for 1 to do 2 damage for a total of 3 and 2 turns.
Play Specter and do 2 damage for a total of 3 and 1 turn

it COULD be => opponents discord.

Well you really can't base it on quanta denial. In that case all upped creatures that cost more apply.

[smuglapse]

The increased cost of the spectre makes him worse in any fast deck. Spirit is fine as it is, but the upgraded version should actually be better and needs a buff.

No, its not. The upped can occasionally be faster than the unupped, but the unupped is NEVER faster. Here is how it is.
Spirit=2 summoning.
Specter=3 summoning.

Play Spirit and do no damage. Wait a turn, then use ablaze for 1 to do 2 damage for a total of 3 and 2 turns.
Play Specter and do 2 damage for a total of 3 and 1 turn

it COULD be => opponents discord.

Well you really can't base it on quanta denial. In that case all upped creatures that cost more apply.

I think he was responding to the use of an absolute.
You are playing a deck where Supernovas are your only generation and you're opening hand contains 1 Supernova, 1 Unstoppable, 1 Improved Blessing and 1 Fire Spirit/Spectre.  In that case, Spirit is faster.  Though, if Supernovas are your only generation it's a crappy deck.

[MrBlonde]

The increased cost of the spectre makes him worse in any fast deck. Spirit is fine as it is, but the upgraded version should actually be better and needs a buff.

No, its not. The upped can occasionally be faster than the unupped, but the unupped is NEVER faster. Here is how it is.
Spirit=2 summoning.
Specter=3 summoning.

Play Spirit and do no damage. Wait a turn, then use ablaze for 1 to do 2 damage for a total of 3 and 2 turns.
Play Specter and do 2 damage for a total of 3 and 1 turn

it COULD be => opponents discord.

Well you really can't base it on quanta denial. In that case all upped creatures that cost more apply.

I think he was responding to the use of an absolute.
You are playing a deck where Supernovas are your only generation and you're opening hand contains 1 Supernova, 1 Unstoppable, 1 Improved Blessing and 1 Fire Spirit/Spectre.  In that case, Spirit is faster.  Though, if Supernovas are your only generation it's a crappy deck.

Ahhhh got it. Somehow missed that post.

[BluePriest]

Ahhhh got it. Somehow missed that post.

Same here.
Yeah, ok It can be faster if you are planning on buffing it with another card, I will give you that.

[Malduk]

That situation would require having exactly 2 fire quanta and quanta for your buff. As MrBlonde said, you can say the same for any upgraded card that costs more than unupgraded version.

[kev]

I always look at spectres as immolation foddor that can grow if I need it too.

It's interesting that nobody else has pointed this out, though I think Antagon hinted at it.  In a rush deck using immos, a 3 , 2 attack creature is not necessarily better than a :2 fire, 0 attack creature.

I'd much prefer Spectre to be 2 and 2/2, so it essentially just gets one "free" blaze for being upped.  As is I'd consider putting unupped Spirits in an otherwise fully upped deck.

[Malduk]

I always look at spectres as immolation foddor that can grow if I need it too.

It's interesting that nobody else has pointed this out, though I think Antagon hinted at it.  In a rush deck using immos, a 3 , 2 attack creature is not necessarily better than a :2 fire, 0 attack creature.

I'd much prefer Spectre to be 2 and 2/2, so it essentially just gets one "free" blaze for being upped.  As is I'd consider putting unupped Spirits in an otherwise fully upped deck.

Out of curiosity, can I get a deck code that uses Spirits as Immo fodder? Never built Immo based deck with them myself.

On topic, fire has flies, pheonixes and free cards to immolate. I really dont see the need to make more creatures good immolation fodder. Its asking for fastest decks to be even faster. I never saw Fire Spectres as a rush card either (as it starts with 0 or 2 attack), so I'm not following the reasoning here why would it be so important to make them faster than they are.
However, I do agree that Spectre could use a buff. Maybe it is because Fire has other insanely great cards, or maybe it is because they are weakish, but I dont use them much in my decks. However, I'd probably buff their HP, to make them more durable, instead of increasing their "speed".

[rotface]

they need to  have  stronger and cost more

[DeviousDragon98]

I would say changing it to 4 hp. It doesn't gain any health, and yet,  single firestorm can wipe out your army of these things. Let them at least survive 1 RoF

Fire supposed to be a more fragile and offensive element, not a defensive one. Just incase you didn't notice, most fire creatures have low HP but do high damage

[Xrbeta]

Maybe the upgraded version can have like 2 more attk and have the same quanta as unupped? i dont think there should be an hp boost since all fire monsters has low hp but very high attk.