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Re: Dual Shield | Dual Buckler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9282.msg505880#msg505880
« Reply #204 on: May 30, 2012, 06:55:03 pm »
big guys would turn small guys, so just... no xD

Anyways, Elements' ecosystem needs this card!
I didn't think it though did I but I have to agree with you that this card would be a good addition to the game
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Re: Dual Shield | Dual Buckler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9282.msg505903#msg505903
« Reply #205 on: May 30, 2012, 07:54:56 pm »
big guys would turn small guys, so just... no xD

Anyways, Elements' ecosystem needs this card!
I didn't think it though did I but I have to agree with you that this card would be a good addition to the game
The order is important.
For example a Skull Shield followed by a Fire Shield could turn opponent's creatures in skeletons and then kill them.
Inverted, it would damage the creatures but that will increase the probability of creatures turning into skeletons.

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Re: Dual Shield | Dual Buckler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9282.msg505971#msg505971
« Reply #206 on: May 30, 2012, 10:30:58 pm »
does bone wall stop the attack or block the damage because it might make a difference and how about a  :light :darkness with hope by sparkly vampires almost like a certain movie/book series that my sister adores
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Re: Dual Shield | Dual Buckler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9282.msg506002#msg506002
« Reply #207 on: May 31, 2012, 12:34:19 am »
I think the idea is the following: with one shield, the creatures have to "pass through" them (and their effects) and then attack the oponent. With 2 shields the creature would have to pass through both shields (one after the other) to attack. That said, DR doesn't stack but 2 protected permafrosts or carpaces would be... omg.
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Re: Dual Shield | Dual Buckler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9282.msg506264#msg506264
« Reply #208 on: May 31, 2012, 08:03:48 pm »
but the bonus effects would be useful because in total it would get 4 per death

So what if shield 1 is destroyed does shield 2 move to the other position?
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Re: Dual Shield | Dual Buckler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9282.msg506368#msg506368
« Reply #209 on: June 01, 2012, 12:34:23 am »
but the bonus effects would be useful because in total it would get 4 per death

So what if shield 1 is destroyed does shield 2 move to the other position?
Meh that are coding details, no -major- effect changes.

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Re: Dual Shield | Dual Buckler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9282.msg507061#msg507061
« Reply #210 on: June 03, 2012, 01:41:18 am »
I like this card, and think it fits in well with the consume all quanta ordeal. However if the dual shields creates a headache for order, then just make it disable your weapon slot and double the potency of your shield (or even just slightly increase the potency of your shield)?
Gravity Sheild → over 3 Hp
Thorn Carapace → blocks 2 damage and 75% poison
Fire Buckler → Block 1 damage and reduce hp by 1 (or reduce HP by 2, block 0)
Diamond Shield → block 5 damage

etc. etc.

I'd also say give a fire card that burns all fire quanta giving an analogous effect to weapons. Double weapon slot?
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Re: Dual Shield | Dual Buckler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9282.msg507214#msg507214
« Reply #211 on: June 03, 2012, 01:15:32 pm »
No it needs to give 2 slots not boost the strength of a single shield its all about possible combinations between 2 elements
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Re: Dual Shield | Dual Buckler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9282.msg507663#msg507663
« Reply #212 on: June 04, 2012, 05:04:16 pm »
dual weapons makes far more sense [though would still be rather OP]

dual shields will just make for annoying fights.  Shields tend to be a gamechanger as it stands, but something like Dusk so only 50% of attacks get through and then bonewall behind it  :o .  Getting up the 10/12 quanta to play it is MAYBE turn 4 before you have it all out in a deck designed for it...I know that any of my decks with dragons can usually toss one out turn 2-3.

While I think it is a card that would make plenty of players happy, I think it is a bad card for gameplay.

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Re: Dual Shield | Dual Buckler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9282.msg507688#msg507688
« Reply #213 on: June 04, 2012, 07:35:32 pm »
It would certainly change a lot, which is what testing is for. A card to balance the change should also be considered. Or many nerfs can be made, such as two shields with 75% proc efficiency and 50% defense status (rounded up). So a spine tharapace and a permafrost would give 2 defense and 75%^2 poison proc and 75%*30% freeze proc. I still dubscribe to a fire card granting a second weapon slot, and have it get momentum. Oh, see? momentum passes both shield, and is common enough as is. Bam, balanced.

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Re: Dual Shield | Dual Buckler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9282.msg507725#msg507725
« Reply #214 on: June 04, 2012, 10:15:06 pm »
It would certainly change a lot, which is what testing is for. A card to balance the change should also be considered. Or many nerfs can be made, such as two shields with 75% proc efficiency and 50% defense status (rounded up). So a spine tharapace and a permafrost would give 2 defense and 75%^2 poison proc and 75%*30% freeze proc. I still dubscribe to a fire card granting a second weapon slot, and have it get momentum. Oh, see? momentum passes both shield, and is common enough as is. Bam, balanced.
Tell me about the quanta it consumes to cast dual buckler with 2 powerful shields. In the best case, 3-4 SN. Therefore, 3-4 turns at least just dedicated to play shields. You would need a very good draw to do it in any deck and you risk of being PC'd and all your shield-based strategy is screwed.
It's a powerful card with high risks, very balanced and brings lots of new strategies.
That said, about getting 2 shields with the same effect, like fog and dusk, a little "Shields with same effect abilities are reduced" text wouldn't come bad.
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Re: Dual Shield | Dual Buckler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9282.msg508047#msg508047
« Reply #215 on: June 05, 2012, 07:25:33 pm »
Chapuz is right about the same affect/effect thing (by the why which one is proper grammar?) in most cases he risk is very large and is more or less rendered overall only slightly more effective/affective unless the situation is dire
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