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Re: Shield | Tower Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20547.msg260986#msg260986
« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2011, 02:46:14 am »
Titanium is also being changed. http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,20552

I'll repeat what I've said in the past: don't bother screaming bloody murder about OP this and UP this before it's finalised. zanz even said straight out that he'll tweak balance later.
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Re: Shield | Tower Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20547.msg260995#msg260995
« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2011, 02:57:09 am »
Tower Shield is now 5 Random quanta in the Trainer.
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Re: Shield | Tower Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20547.msg261047#msg261047
« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2011, 04:03:00 am »
I am simply speechless...
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Re: Shield | Tower Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20547.msg261091#msg261091
« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2011, 05:03:10 am »
Quote from: Wizardcat on January 31, 2011, 02:57:09 am
Tower Shield is now 5 Random quanta in the Trainer.
Definitely a step in the direction I was hoping for
Now, its only one more quanta for one more defense, and its one more quanta than the other vanilla shield for the same amount of shielding.
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Re: Shield | Tower Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20547.msg261115#msg261115
« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2011, 06:15:53 am »
But the cost curve between unupped and upped is +4. Don't get me wrong, I think its great that Other is getting a shield, but 5 random quanta for only 2 defense... I would not choose to run it in any deck besides a fun deck (unless that is what it is intended for.)
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Re: Shield | Tower Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20547.msg261147#msg261147
« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2011, 08:04:47 am »
I think the cost of Tower shield is based on Titanium cost. It seems fair except that Tower shield is an upgrade so it should be a bit cheaper IMO.

I think a cost of 2 basic and 4 upped would be balanced.
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Re: Shield | Tower Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20547.msg261149#msg261149
« Reply #30 on: January 31, 2011, 08:14:30 am »
Quote from: skyreal on January 31, 2011, 08:04:47 am
I think the cost of Tower shield is based on Titanium cost. It seems fair except that Tower shield is an upgrade so it should be a bit cheaper IMO.

I think a cost of 2 basic and 4 upped would be balanced.
:rainbow is a lot easier to aquire than :earth.
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Re: Shield | Tower Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20547.msg261156#msg261156
« Reply #31 on: January 31, 2011, 08:35:17 am »
Quote from: OldTrees on January 31, 2011, 08:14:30 am
:rainbow is a lot easier to aquire than :earth.
that's right. But now even Titanium cost is 4 :p
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Re: Shield | Tower Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20547.msg261162#msg261162
« Reply #32 on: January 31, 2011, 09:10:00 am »
Quote from: skyreal on January 31, 2011, 08:35:17 am
Quote from: OldTrees on January 31, 2011, 08:14:30 am
:rainbow is a lot easier to aquire than :earth.
that's right. But now even Titanium cost is 4 :p
Titanium costs 4 :earth unupped. Tower Shield costs 5 :rainbow upgraded.
Assuming
1) 3 :rainbow = 1 :earth
2) Upgrades get a -1 or -2 cost reduction
Tower Shield is priced at 1 :rainbow less than an upgraded DR2 shield.
Hence why Tower Shield does not need an additional cost decrease.
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Re: Shield | Tower Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20547.msg261165#msg261165
« Reply #33 on: January 31, 2011, 09:41:05 am »
Quote from: OldTrees on January 31, 2011, 09:10:00 am
Quote from: skyreal on January 31, 2011, 08:35:17 am
Quote from: OldTrees on January 31, 2011, 08:14:30 am
:rainbow is a lot easier to aquire than :earth.
that's right. But now even Titanium cost is 4 :p
Titanium costs 4 :earth unupped. Tower Shield costs 5 :rainbow upgraded.
Assuming
1) 3 :rainbow = 1 :earth
2) Upgrades get a -1 or -2 cost reduction
Tower Shield is priced at 1 :rainbow less than an upgraded DR2 shield.
Hence why Tower Shield does not need an additional cost decrease.
Ok but my point is that if Titanium is underused at 5 :earth in PVP1, Tower shield won't be played at all at 5 :rainbow in PVP2!
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Re: Shield | Tower Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20547.msg261167#msg261167
« Reply #34 on: January 31, 2011, 09:45:52 am »
Quote from: skyreal on January 31, 2011, 09:41:05 am
Quote from: OldTrees on January 31, 2011, 09:10:00 am
Quote from: skyreal on January 31, 2011, 08:35:17 am
Quote from: OldTrees on January 31, 2011, 08:14:30 am
:rainbow is a lot easier to aquire than :earth.
that's right. But now even Titanium cost is 4 :p
Titanium costs 4 :earth unupped. Tower Shield costs 5 :rainbow upgraded.
Assuming
1) 3 :rainbow = 1 :earth
2) Upgrades get a -1 or -2 cost reduction
Tower Shield is priced at 1 :rainbow less than an upgraded DR2 shield.
Hence why Tower Shield does not need an additional cost decrease.
Ok but my point is that if Titanium is underused at 5 :earth in PVP1, Tower shield won't be played at all at 5 :rainbow in PVP2!
And my point is you forgot/are still forgetting Quantum Towers and Rainbow Decks.
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Re: Shield | Tower Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20547.msg261175#msg261175
« Reply #35 on: January 31, 2011, 10:34:59 am »
Meh.

This is the sort of card that makes elements less unique. Not having a shield that blocks damage is supposed to be a quality of Fire, for example. I don't see the point of this shield really except to make everything more average.
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