Win Time Study - Pro Stats for Pro Grinders.

[Kuross]

 (unupped) No Land Stompy (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,11029.msg145428#msg145428)

Test conditions: 50 games, muted, no spins, as few clicks as possible, vs'ed Elder.

Sec/game: 84.48, Sec/Turn: 11.03, Clicks/Game: 21.9, Clicks/Turn: 2.859, Score/Min: 10.270, Elec/Min: 10.483
Time overall (min.): 70.4 (4224 seconds)
Score: 723
Electrum: 738
Wins: 45
EMs: 3
Losses: 5
Avg ttw: 8.511 (450)

This deck is very subject to CC and bad draws. All losses came as a result of poor draws or heavy CC. In several wins, the games went beyond the 8th-9th turn due to CC. Just something to watch for if one should wish to run this deck.

[tinkady]

this thread is great...should definitely be stickied once its really well organized and such.
i'm surprised how much better your EM rush is than the competition...i'd make it if i cared about score

[jmdt]

this thread is great...should definitely be stickied once its really well organized and such.
i'm surprised how much better your EM rush is than the competition...i'd make it if i cared about score

Yeah a stick would be nice.

Once I finish the unupped section, I have a pretty large analysis planned.  I have all the upped data built into a spreadsheet already that lets me calculate score and electrum per hour with and without spins.  I will post all thisand some commentary later.

[Wolfunit]

this thread is great...should definitely be stickied once its really well organized and such.
i'm surprised how much better your EM rush is than the competition...i'd make it if i cared about score

Yeah a stick would be nice.

Once I finish the unupped section, I have a pretty large analysis planned.  I have all the upped data built into a spreadsheet already that lets me calculate score and electrum per hour with and without spins.  I will post all thisand some commentary later.

Making a topic about your deck analysis on kong forums would be a great idea also than so many players would read it than know which deck they would most likely use aginist lv3's.
 
shall rule the world buhaha.

[Kuross]

this thread is great...should definitely be stickied once its really well organized and such.
i'm surprised how much better your EM rush is than the competition...i'd make it if i cared about score

Yeah a stick would be nice.

Once I finish the unupped section, I have a pretty large analysis planned.  I have all the upped data built into a spreadsheet already that lets me calculate score and electrum per hour with and without spins.  I will post all thisand some commentary later.

Making a topic about your deck analysis on kong forums would be a great idea also than so many players would read it than know which deck they would most likely use aginist lv3's.
 
shall rule the world buhaha.

IMO, as much as I occsionally love helping newbs on Kong, I think a link guiding them here at most would be best. What I'd like to see are more rounded players making their way here to this site.

[hrmmm]

tested: Fun Pillarless Speed Deck: "The Creation of Life" (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,9542.0.html)

Games:   50
   
avg. Sec/Game:   104.240
Sec/Turn:   12.121
Clicks/Game:   28.140
Clicks/Turn:   3.272
Score/Min:   6.078
Electrum/Min:   7.575
   
Time overall (min.):   86.867
Wins:   39
Ems:   0
Losses:   11
Score:   528
Electrum:   658
   
Avg ttw:   8.600
ttw Details:   
ttw 5:   3
ttw 6:   8
ttw 7:   8
ttw 8:   6
ttw 9:   10
ttw 10:   6
ttw 11:   1
ttw 12:   4
ttw 13:   2
ttw 14:   2
well i had some hard times with this deck.
if you have a hand to run this decks its really fast and funny.
bit if not... you run i long matches.

[jmdt]

tested: Fun Pillarless Speed Deck: "The Creation of Life" (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,9542.0.html)

Games:   50
   
avg. Sec/Game:   104.240
Sec/Turn:   12.121
Clicks/Game:   28.140
Clicks/Turn:   3.272
Score/Min:   6.078
Electrum/Min:   7.575
   
Time overall (min.):   86.867
Wins:   39
Ems:   0
Losses:   11
Score:   528
Electrum:   658
   
Avg ttw:   8.600
ttw Details:   
ttw 5:   3
ttw 6:   8
ttw 7:   8
ttw 8:   6
ttw 9:   10
ttw 10:   6
ttw 11:   1
ttw 12:   4
ttw 13:   2
ttw 14:   2
well i had some hard times with this deck.
if you have a hand to run this decks its really fast and funny.
bit if not... you run i long matches.

This makes 4-5 times less electrum than my speed EM...thats almost depressing, lol.

[wavedash]

Personally, I don't think this thread should be stickied because:

1. It does not significantly (if at all) reduce the number of spam threads
2. The activity in this thread, much like the Turns to Win study, keeps it on the front page anyways
3. It is not all that important.

[jmdt]

Personally, I don't think this thread should be stickied because:

1. It does not significantly (if at all) reduce the number of spam threads
2. The activity in this thread, much like the Turns to Win study, keeps it on the front page anyways
3. It is not all that important.

Its important to me.


 
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[Kuross]

1. Here is a link to the spin data I compiled. There is useful info there that can be used in conjunction with this study.

Spin Data (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,12094.msg160827#msg160827)

2. This is really impratant actually. Currently, Elder is the best place to grind for score. Given that, having knowledge of the most efficient decks availiable is very important. I can't see how this info is not important to be honest. jmdt has done a lot of work for the betterment of the community and this info has already helped many others I know of.

[jmdt]

1. Here is a link to the spin data I compiled. There is useful info there that can be used in conjunction with this study.

Spin Data (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,12094.msg160827#msg160827)

2. This is really impratant actually. Currently, Elder is the best place to grind for score. Given that, having knowledge of the most efficient decks availiable is very important. I can't see how this info is not important to be honest. jmdt has done a lot of work for the betterment of the community and this info has already helped many others I know of.

Thanks Kuross, I will update my spreadsheet with these figure and post this data soon.

[Kuross]

Just a quick look at how this study adds up with the info from the spin data-

Healbow: 80.12 sec. / Game, 23.678 electrum / Game.
8 seconds to spin all spins. So, Healbow now takes 88.12 sec. / Game with spins.
Average electrum per Game with spins: 24.25
Electrum/game: 31.62
Total electrum/game average over time: 55.87


In one hour, Healbow can then get 41 games with spins. Therefore, with that many games, Healbow can generate 2291 electrum / hour with spins.

Another way of looking at it, Healbow can get enough electrum in 39 minutes to upgrade a card.

The above is just an example of how important this data can be to people looking to spend their time grinding.