Feedback on Event submission board...or more the lack of it

[Zarathustra1883]

Ok, I have a question that has been burning for days now. Looking at the Event submission section Page 1, the highest number of replies is currently 23. 

Looking at the number of sign ups in events like RR´s Lost Temple and adding comments on the chat many people seem to enjoy playing events. I get it that the war is overshadowing almost everything else but some of the stuff on page 1 was there before the war. So do most people just not care about helping create and/or balance new events to help them get to a point where they might get considered playable and wait passivly instead until it is served? Or do the ideas posted so far just suck so no one bothers to give feedback?

This is not only because I have 2 submissions in there, but I think some ideas deserve to be supported more. I can imagine some members having nice ideas for cool events but looking at the (again, lack of) activity in the section they might decide it is not worth their time to submit them. 10% of the activity redirected from the card ideas board and the board would burst from feedback.


So, all I am asking is why does (almost) noone post feedback on the event submissions?
Cheers 

[Marsu]

I agree. Most people love events, and there is no reward except for the forum icon, so there won't be any nymph/mark inflation if more events were played. Of course, with one or two events per week, participants per event would probably be too few, but I don't see why we shouldn't have at least one per month.

[moehrpi]

First of all, I think it is a good thing to speak about this issue. Thank you for promoting and even more for actually putting effort into new events. I genuinely appreciate your (not only those who posted here) work!

As for myself I can only say that _of course_ it is more convenient to just sit around and wait for an event to come around, but I think most people are fine with the amount of events hosted and especially with the quality they provide. This makes people believe there is no need to take actions.
Also, I would not want two or more events to be held at the same time. Due to my lack of long-term experience I cannot tell how long of a break there is in between different events, though.
I played two out of the last three tournaments and take part in the current event. So I don't feel like having to contribute something mentionable yet (!). When I hear others talk (about thinking) about the meta for a particular tournament, I doubt I could propose anything comprehensive but maybe something appaling.
One other thing is to make changes to foreign ideas. It feels like criticism that takes away the spirit of the original idea.

It is only fair to bring in new ideas and views to support those who do a lot of work.

[Acsabi44]

1%rule, bro. Yes, it means most are just waiting passively for something to happen.

[Zarathustra1883]

Yeah, I think I figured that out by now.  But I wanted to at least be sure if it is just something effected by the war or if it is just like it is. I know I will not be able to leave it alone completly, but speaking only for myself I know I fuel my passion to put even more work into such things a lot by feedback. Feedback lets you know if the idea you had sucks and you can restart/revamp/dump..., or if it is something people like but have ideas to improve it and have it implemented to get your event to the point where it can be considered by the officials.

[Onizuka]

There are a few things at work here.

1) The event being made has to be somehow different from other events. This is usually done through a quirk outside of the duel phase (Lost Temple's floor bonuses, Grid's Grid, Warrior's Prep premade decks, etc). If the quirk isn't different enough from something else, then another change has to be made.

2) A large part of event creators host the events. This can discourage from making an event since instead of playing in one, you will be hosting it (but different strokes for different folks). This can easily be removed by having a decent sized group of people who volunteer to host events, or more events that doesn't give the host a benefit.

3) An event shouldn't be too hard to run. Things like Prisoner's Dilemma and last run Rags to Riches puts a large strain on the host.

4) There is little to no guarantee for an event to be run. This is mostly due to the fact that for presumably everyone but the PvP Event Manager, they have little to no choice in what gets added from there. The 'Why should we run your event' topic was a step in the right direction, but ultimately still leaves creators wondering if their event will ever be made.

5) Due to basically no ability to get an event run, there is little reason for other people to comment on an event that isn't currently set on being played. Large amounts of effort can generally be wasted or never even considered, while events like War are currently destined to be repeated so all feedback goes into making it better.

6) The best feedback comes after the event is played. You can theorycraft all you want, but suggestions after the fact are usually better than pre-event.

7) The lack of a stable PvPEvent rotation schedule. I do not know when a new PvPEvent from the board will be introduced, if it ever will be, why should I help?

8 ) The large number of events we already have. We already have something like 20ish events currently. Assuming every event takes about a month and a week, assuming 2 events/month, it will take basically a year to repeat an event, which is a large amount of time between plays that there isn't a feeling of repetition and thus new events will have a harder time getting in, since there will be people who want an event they missed/really enjoyed to be played again.

9) It's a lot more work creating an event than a card.

These are just some of the reasons off the top of head why the board is currently the way it is.

[nensuru]

6) The best feedback comes after the event is played. You can theorycraft all you want, but suggestions after the fact are usually better than pre-event.

Very true, it would be nice to have a play test sing up for event submissions to help balance it and give feedback of how much fun it is,, the only downside i can think of is that ppl would have an advantage when play against players that did not test the event

I for example would gladly spend my time testing some submissions

[Zarathustra1883]

Thank you all for the answers and especially Oni for taking the time to go a little in-depth. Your answer was helpful to me to avoid being too frustrated to continue work. I´d like to answer some of the points:

1) The event being made has to be somehow different from other events.

I agree and picked up my work with the premise to create rules that at least seem unique. Looking at past and current events people did a great job on this so far, but at some point trying to re-invent the wheel will be the problem. That´s where for me the background story could help to cover up for rules that have already been used in the past but maybe that´s just my RPG background. 

A large part of event creators host the events. This can discourage from making an event since instead of playing in one, you will be hosting it (but different strokes for different folks).

Again I agree, but I think there could be something like the pre smithy section for card ideas if you think you have a good basic idea for an event but don´t want to develop/host or simply can´t so people willing to could pick them up if they are good and turn them into something. Personally (RPG background again ) I have no problem with the concept of being a host/storyteller.

5) Due to basically no ability to get an event run, there is little reason for other people to comment on an event that isn't currently set on being played. Large amounts of effort can generally be wasted or never even considered

That is a point I have a different point of view. Just think about the whole card design board. 98% of the cards will probably never even be close to get into the game, yet certain people post 2 a day and they pick up comments/feedback in no time. I do not question what people enjoy putting their time into on the forum, but even the abortion thread has probably more activity than the complete event submission board.

9) It's a lot more work creating an event than a card.

Yes it is, but it takes only a little more to read an event submission and give thoughts.  And I wasn´t trying to encourage people to spam more events but to help improve those posted but I understand that it is easier to give feedback after the event.

Anyway, I agree with the conclusion of your post and I am able to move on from here:

Spock: Don't grieve, Admiral. It is logical. The needs of the many outweigh...
Kirk: ...the needs of the few...
Spock: ...Or the one.
 

[Acsabi44]

Also consider that the cmmunity is pretty inbred, and most of the events seem "elitist" form the PoV of a newb.
We need events that call out to the newer players. I was trying do organise such a minievent, and some others tried in my wake, but the whole thing was abandoned due to uninterest.

[Zarathustra1883]

Also consider that the cmmunity is pretty inbred, and most of the events seem "elitist" form the PoV of a newb.
We need events that call out to the newer players. I was trying do organise such a minievent, and some others tried in my wake, but the whole thing was abandoned due to uninterest.

*Text deleted again* Let´s just say I agree with you and just did not say it that clear because coming from a newb most people would call it ranting nonsense. 

Do you have a link or further info on the event? I admit I am too lazy to search for it. 

[Acsabi44]

Also consider that the cmmunity is pretty inbred, and most of the events seem "elitist" form the PoV of a newb.
We need events that call out to the newer players. I was trying do organise such a minievent, and some others tried in my wake, but the whole thing was abandoned due to uninterest.

*Text deleted again* Let´s just say I agree with you and just did not say it that clear because coming from a newb most people would call it ranting nonsense. 

Do you have a link or further info on the event? I admit I am too lazy to search for it. 

Sure,
Intro and signups
Round 1
Round 2
Round 3
Results and feedback

There were some hiccups (mostly on my part as an organiser), but most participiants seemed to like it.
Some others tried to do some other events after mine, but there where nowhere near enough participiants so they got cancelled.

[Zarathustra1883]

Bravo! If I would have been around back then I would have signed up I guess. The mentioned hiccups: Will to give the community something to enjoy > minor flaws every now and then.  Mostly it is nothing that can not be fixed quickly anyway. Giving you +necro rep for the event!