Other t50 Players - Suggestion about making your farms

[Svenningen]

Trying to smuggle in my suggestion as far as removing farms and including weekly quests:
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,7061.0.html

[miniwally]

Theo could you tell me waht that charger deck is it looked interesting and jmizzle's deck.

[TheoCT]

Theo could you tell me waht that charger deck is it looked interesting and jmizzle's deck.

Mono-grav black hole deck

[Marvaddin]

Im usually at top 50 just on Sundays for now. And I strongly disagree. I hate biting farms, and I will keep my farms non-biting.

1st of all, why would someone play T50? Its worse than lv3 to get money, even with a fully upgraded deck. In fact, if your deck is not an upgraded / powerfull one you will stand no chance against rush decks of life, fire, poison, or lava destroyer. Just a few can beat the most gay strategy ever, Fractal + RoL + Hope. And most times its that boring and defensive rainbow deck, a very slow and boring game even if you use the same type of deck. The single thing that make interest of anyone in T50 is farming rares because considering money / score, lv 3 is better.

Make people understand that having farms is a privilege? Whats the problem about what people think? And how making a difficult farm will teach someone that they should thank the T50 people for giving them a such "privilege"? Most time people will curse you instead by making them playing for like 5-7 minutes, and still losing / didnt get any card.

If a player has rare cards, hes not strong because of this. He will be strong if he has a good deck and knowledge about how to use it properly. I think that people should be able to have 6 of each rare card, no problem about that. If we consider the same point, them letting people use your deck is a privilege, and so you shouldnt post your deck, unless you post it edited in a weaker form.

If you think that biting farms are more fun, or you think that people should "learn" that having farms is a privilege, then I will say that having already 35-40 non farm decks is enough to you have fun / people learning.

NO BITING FARMS TO ME.

[miniwally]

Actually biting farms are more fun in my opinion especially the one theo had up 2 wins 2 losses vs that. It makes you all tense as to whether you'll win or not and makes you actually feel like you deserved it after.

Vs Theo's deck it was a case of who could rush the fastest and to my surprise that was extremely fun to play against, Jmizzle's deck on the other hand needed a while to get started and was easily defeated by the rush deck I was using.

[TheoCT]

Marvaddin, I don't post all of my decks because, in my opinion, it is a privilege that I am willing to share decks I make to help other players out. Look at jmizzle, he doesn't post his decks anymore, but then again if you look at PuppyChow he posts pretty much all(if not all) his decks. What is the point of making rare cards rare if everybody will have 6 of them??? It makes no sense..... Me putting up a biting farm is not so people learn to understand that farms are a privilege and not a right but for them to EARN the cards they win. Even the cards in the bazaar aren't free like the rares in farms are, and those are RARES!!!!!

[Marvaddin]

Really, I dont think the rare status is necessary, even more given how easy is to get them, and how important they can be to some decks.

That said, even cards won from non bitting farms are not free. There are just a few farms, like 12 in 50 and just a few are non biting ones. Noobs that just started can surely defeat the non biting farms, but at what cost? Facing the strongest decks +70% of times, maybe more? Even skipping the non farms fights, its a 15 coins fee per fight, so I can surely say they arent free.

Same idea: lets suppose I have a deck with a 0% chance of defeating against a FG, hmmmm, I have a deck with a good amount of Jade Shields, that will make me win 100% of my games against Decay. Are the cards I win against that FG free? If you think so, feel free to get some free cards, but I disagree

[Svenningen]

1st of all, why would someone play T50? Its worse than lv3 to get money, even with a fully upgraded deck. In fact, if your deck is not an upgraded / powerfull one you will stand no chance against rush decks of life, fire, poison, or lava destroyer. Just a few can beat the most gay strategy ever, Fractal + RoL + Hope. And most times its that boring and defensive rainbow deck, a very slow and boring game even if you use the same type of deck. The single thing that make interest of anyone in T50 is farming rares because considering money / score, lv 3 is better.

Well, t50 is SUPPOSED to be hard, its the TOP50!
When I see #Jmizzle7, im supposed to tremble, not think oyay, free rares! So if anything, biting farms are fine! I like chaoz farms =) the pharaoh/eternity/sog was excellent! And u should build ur deck so it counters most decks. If rol/hope is common, carry some mass CC, like fireshield.

Really, I dont think the rare status is necessary, even more given how easy is to get them.

Wich im positively sure its what Theo wants to get rid of, simply making it the way it was, and make the choice more important.

[miniwally]

Did chaoz finally get 6 pharaohs?

[Clathius]

Yea this "easy" score stuff needs to stop.

Thus, we also need Top50 players to cease playing rainbow decks.  There are just too many people playing black hole decks with the goal of easy EMs vs all those bloated rainbow decks that Top50 players use.

Also, while we are at it, we need all the Top50 players to log on early Sunday morning and uploaded your deck.   We can't let people farm Top50 on Sunday mornings in order to get easy score vs all those noob decks that get uploaded.

[TheoCT]

Yea this "easy" score stuff needs to stop.

Thus, we also need Top50 players to cease playing rainbow decks.  There are just too many people playing black hole decks with the goal of easy EMs vs all those bloated rainbow decks that Top50 players use.

Also, while we are at it, we need all the Top50 players to log on early Sunday morning and uploaded your deck.   We can't let people farm Top50 on Sunday mornings in order to get easy score vs all those noob decks that get uploaded.

So you're trying to mock by doing suggestions that would make it even easier for everybody? You're not making any sense mate. I'm just saying that RARE cards should be RARE and the way that they're around this game everybody has a bunch of each and they're not rare.

[Tripwyrz]

In no way is this supposed to 'stop players getting on our level'.  I started when the game started, if I remember correctly there weren't farms at the beginning. Yes, fg's were easier, there was less stuff, but because we started playing earlier and had it a bit easier in the beginning shouldn't mean we have to use the advantage we got for playing as long as we have to make it even easier for those who started later. It's not like we had it all that much easier in the beginning, we've just been playing longer. Yes, I've benefited from the farms as I can't avoid them (I'm not going to vs a farm and get a loss just because I don't like farms). The way the game was designed was meant for the RARES to be....well...RARE. Some players would get the cards from the AI, use them in decks, and others will beat them and win them occasionally, not what it's like now. Now the rares are easy as pie to get, any newbie can farm t50 from day 1 and get RARES. We had to work for them.

While I think that rares should certainly be rarer than they are, I also think Theo is taking this way too far. When I read other's posts, I read well rounded (generally) arguments for and against biting farms. When I read Theo's posts, I see a noob hating rage filled player who thinks that nobody new deserves to play the game he's been playing for around half a year.

If you are as against farm decks as you make yourself seem, then you will quit farm decks as soon as you see them. That is what it means to stand up for what you believe. Standing up for your beliefs means sacrifice, not the hypocrisy you're preaching.