Oracle : Dream Catcher

[umgrego2]

ccdb (creature control, do bother) unupped:

v0.1

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Went 3/10. I'm not sure this is that low of a record for a (nrnu) no-rare-no-upgraded deck

Also tried a run of a version of this deck that had six of the quantum pillars replaced with 6 novas and went 4/10.
v0.2 oof, don't even look: it went 0 for 8

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v0.3 still not better, 1 for 10

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With discord (especially one that gets protected often), I don't think there's any option for a mono, duo or trio deck. You need to embrace the rainbow abaint Dream Catcher.

In general, Dream Catcher only has 8 creatures to worry about (6 that have been butterfly effected + 1 physalias) so it seems to me that you want at least 8 cc spells. From the stats, it's evident that some mass cc spells help quite a bit. I think the reason behind this is twofold. First, if he has no creatures on the board, he has no creatures to BE. Second, if he has no creatures on the board, his hand will start to get cluttered with BE and quintessence.

A cluttered hand for any FG is good for you (unless you're trying to deck out a FG!) since it only draws one card at a time and takes away one of its advantages over you as a mere mortal. And this is why the emerald shield is the best shield against Dream Catcher; the spell reflection means that he can't directly lightning/shockwave you. Also, with the Sanctuary, Dream Catcher can't black hole (more clutter). 

[TStar]

I'm now 0-4 with the first deck in the original post.  The story is always the same, early Quicksand's followed by Black Hole's until I'm quanta locked by a single Devourer.  I might try adding in a Protect Artifact next time.

[Jappert]

I'm now 0-4 with the first deck in the original post.  The story is always the same, early Quicksand's followed by Black Hole's until I'm quanta locked by a single Devourer.  I might try adding in a Protect Artifact next time.

0-3 for me, then I stopped using it. (the rainbow deck with oty's that is)

[ralouf]

After 3 lost in a row with the OP deck I used the voodoo deck and even if I didn't draw any BB in the 20 first cards and moreover he got a discord in the first turn I luckily managed to win

[Xenocidius]

Just beat him with this deck (in Trainer):

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The trick is to repeatedly lobotomize the Micro Abomination in the first slot, giving it summoning sickness. Or kill it until you draw a Lobo. Deny him with Black Hole. Kill Fate Eggs, Pests and Physilias. Kill with neurotoxin damage.

Probably wouldn't work consistently.

[gumbeh]

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Healing: You don't actually need 4 sancs, healing-wise, but you want to get one out ASAP to protect your quanta. Purify didn't end up being necessary for me, but if you have bad luck the poison counters might go high. Ultimately Dream Catcher gave me 6 doses of poison over the course of the whole game. Potentially a skippable card for further deck tightness and consistency.

Priorities:

• PA + Electrocuter or Quint + Mind Flayer. You need one of these to happen as soon as possible. Further lobo sources are a nice luxury, but not a priority.
• PA + Sanctuary
• Jade Shield
• Damage and EM

Aether quanta will be in short supply. Ration it carefully according to your priorities and it should be easy sailing.

[Higurashi]

Seeing as my attempts at countering DC with the usual counter decks are very hit and miss, I decided to make my own. I simply added cards that were effective against him.

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Winrate: 2-1

Protect Artifact: for both Towers (Quicksand could be disastrous), SoG's and Eternity. Essential.
SoG's: 4, as I have 2 PA's over after Towers and Eternity. More would be nice, but eh.
Jade Shield: shuts down the majority of his offensive power. More than two copies would be good for increasing consistency.
Firestorm: mainly for killing Physalia.
Purify: healing he cannot remove, and good for removing any potential Poison his Physalia managed to inflict.
Morning Glory: immaterial damage.
Elite Phase Dragon: ditto. Saves card space instead of using Quint+grower.
Schrödinger's Cat: for bouncing with Eternity, avoiding deckout.
Eternity: for bouncing and damage.
Rewind: to completely prevent deckout, even if Eternity is bottomdecked.
Flying Weapon: for Morning Glory, so I can later play Etern+PA.

Results below.



I bottomdecked the Morning Glory, which wasn't a problem, but funny nonetheless. I had protected the Eternity and was ready to bounce the Cat, but turns out I didn't need to do any bouncing: killed him the last turn.
Since he got an Archangel he could cast Rage Elixir on, then heal (I Rewound it), I pondered adding Antimatter. Considering the high chance to get a dragon from Fate Egg, it would be a safe addition. He quinted it several turns later.
Looking at my surplus, I could replace the Morning Glory and FW with more Phase Dragons.
Even won a card, for once. Supernova :>
Winrate so far: 4-1
EM's: 3

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[lynx655]

I tried a variation of my neurotoxic poisonbow. I'm not sure about consistency, or what would be useful or useless in this.
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Got a straight win. I didn't particularily have a good hand. I played lobo and got the nymph and phys, but when i made it fly it was destroyed. It didn't bother with the momentumed dune scorpion, but destroyed my blessed one before. Got an emerald shield early, and played the BH midgame for 36 healing. Deathstalker is only for show, it never got a chance to hit... He lasted 15 rounds, I got a quint.




My original poisonbow was this:

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[pulli23]

No reliable unupped deck against this false god found yet?

[Higurashi]

Nope. I usually use Monoaether with Enchant Artifacts on my unupped alt, and it works maybe 30-40% of the time. Normal Monoaether with 3 Lobos and some SoG's seems to do better.
You won't find a -reliable- counter since there isn't even one upped, but there are some half-decent ones.

[majofa]

Some of the FGs.. specifically: Chaos Lord, Dream Catcher, and Hecate.. who are sometimes very random and, as such, are harder to make reliable decks for. Chaos Lord could get a random mutant and mess up your strategy. Dream Catcher has the cards that can beat any strategy. Hecate does random stuff sometimes.

The other FGs are more focused, hence, easier to build counters to.

[umgrego2]

No reliable unupped deck against this false god found yet?

As I mentioned earlier, this unupped, no-rare deck (I called it ccdb) went 4/10 in the trainer.

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Surely with help from the more experienced players this could be improved upon?

EDIT: Damn, trying to figure this FG out is frustrating. I tried adding two hourglasses and went 1 for 7! There were some unlucky occurences there, but the way those 'unlucky' events are spread out in terms of diversity (fate egg makes a ruby dragon just as your plague is turning things around, two QS + BH in first four turns, fate egg makes an Elite Armaggio and then BE's it (WTF do you do with that? (apparently you don't accelerate it!(leave me alone, i was desperate))), Abomination with BE and Quint early in game) is making me a convert to the "there aren't any no-rare-no-upgrade decks that can beat dream catcher" school.