[Official] Relic | Relic

[EmeraldTiger]

I think we need to come up with a way to make this more useful. My suggestion first would be to make it a Permanent instead of a Spell.

Provide other possible changes, thank you.

Previous Poll Data:
Nothing 16 (26.7%)
Make it a Permanent 6 (10%)
Sell Value Higher 11 (18.3%)
Bribe the Oracle. 24 (40%)
Other (Please specify) 3 (5%)

Previous Poll Data:
Nothing: 9 votes
Make it a Permanent: 6 votes
Sell Value Higher: 19 votes
Other: 3 votes

[OldTrees]

Why would it need to be useful in a duel? It already is useful in the store.

[EmeraldTiger]

For me it does not make sense as a spell. I would think a relic is something that could be touched, not a brief passing whim.

[RootRanger]

Sigh.

It's always been suggested to sell relics by Zanz and the community. Buffing relics makes all of that advice become harmful and buffing relics is unfair to players that sold them (a lot of people).

[Contrary]

I think if it were given a use it should be some fun novelty that you wouldn't have any real use for. Maybe if you play 6 of them you can summon a Holy Cow.

[rowcla]

I think if it were given a use it should be some fun novelty that you wouldn't have any real use for. Maybe if you play 6 of them you can summon a Holy Cow.

then who wouldnt use it? 

[AchDeToni]

I think if it were given a use it should be some fun novelty that you wouldn't have any real use for. Maybe if you play 6 of them you can summon a Holy Cow.

This !

[JonathanCrazyJ]

at first i was gonna say that this has been discussed at great length here: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,2443.144.html

but then

HOLY COW!

[CCCombobreaker]

Root, when Zanz made unupped shards playable and worth more than 5:electrum he showed that improvements/progress doesn't have remorse like any player that sold something.

Playing 6 for a holy cow is weird, but if they were a stackable permanent they could have fun (maybe even random) effects when you play one, culminating in the holy cow at 6.

[ZephyrPhantom]

I changed my mind after looking through a few relic-based ideas - Relics could play a bigger role in the game, but if they do they'd need to be more easily obtainable.

Root, when Zanz made unupped shards playable and worth more than 5:electrum he showed that improvements/progress doesn't have remorse like any player that sold something.

Playing 6 for a holy cow is weird, but if they were a stackable permanent they could have fun (maybe even random) effects when you play one, culminating in the holy cow at 6.

The Holy Cow idea is nice, but I'd rather see some vanilla-esque cards that had some abilities related to Relics (in whatever form they become), IMHO. It could create some interesting strategies since you're relying on "junk" cards. (Zealots (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,11901.0.html) is a very old idea based on this.)

Alternatively, a mechanic that modifies the relic's role would be interesting - see Relic Blade (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,18090.0.html) and Quantum Forge (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,26938.0.html) for two examples of ideas that use relics.

[RootRanger]

Root, when Zanz made unupped shards playable and worth more than 5:electrum he showed that improvements/progress doesn't have remorse like any player that sold something.

But people are encouraged to sell relics by zanz himself.
Zanz never wrote "It is now useless: sell it!" on the unupped shard.
We would end up with people complaining that the developer himself suggested to sell a card that he would make useful not long after that.

Sigh...this is what happens when card designers try to invade game balanced forums...

[Taffer]

As I already suggested it in a previous thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,22607.0.html), relic could turn into a random mark card if played. Chances:

• 40% to turn into a mark card matching your element
• 30% to turn into another random mark card
• 30% to turn into a quantum pillar/tower

This behavior would make the card highly unreliable to play so its main value would not change: one should sell them at the best. But at least the cost information and the spell nature would not be a fake info.

Unupgraded shards had a similar problem but fortunately it has been changed. Now its the Relic's turn