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Re: Best Lava Destroyer Rush https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18846.msg243805#msg243805
« Reply #60 on: January 09, 2011, 07:19:53 am »
I get more 4 turns than 5 turn wins and a a 3 turn here and there, i posted my deck, im sure you all want to pick that apart.

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Re: Best Lava Destroyer Rush https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18846.msg243864#msg243864
« Reply #61 on: January 09, 2011, 11:59:18 am »
why the deck code is not in the first post?

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Re: Best Lava Destroyer Rush https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18846.msg243983#msg243983
« Reply #62 on: January 09, 2011, 05:08:09 pm »
I get more 4 turns than 5 turn wins and a a 3 turn here and there, i posted my deck, im sure you all want to pick that apart.
There are alot of decks that get 3 turn wins. You are not the best deckbuilder in the game and your deck isnt particulary original. it wont be picked apart that much.
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Re: Best Lava Destroyer Rush https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18846.msg244005#msg244005
« Reply #63 on: January 09, 2011, 06:01:24 pm »
It is impossible to kill Fake Gods with this deck. Much less in 7-8 turns. Closest I've gotten was Seism down to 38hp.

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Re: Best Lava Destroyer Rush https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18846.msg244006#msg244006
« Reply #64 on: January 09, 2011, 06:03:28 pm »
It is impossible to kill Fake Gods with this deck. Much less in 7-8 turns. Closest I've gotten was Seism down to 38hp.
Impossible?  Heavens no.  Any rush deck can defeat FGs, it just all comes down to what cards you draw in the beginning and how horrible a hand the FG receives.  While it may be unlikely, it can happen.
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Re: Best Lava Destroyer Rush https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18846.msg244013#msg244013
« Reply #65 on: January 09, 2011, 06:18:46 pm »
Fun thread. I need to start reading decks section more  ;D

@OP, thumbs up for the deck. Havent tried your version, but I have VERY similar deck and it works like a charm. Definitely a great build.

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Re: Best Lava Destroyer Rush https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18846.msg244328#msg244328
« Reply #66 on: January 10, 2011, 03:07:32 am »
Fact - precogs in a 30 card deck make it faster

flash, your deck has problems
-explosions, takes away from possible damage dealers
-heavy armours, same as explosions
-rage elixirs, only used after a heavy armour or if a golem is buffed enough from a longer game

elixir + armour = +6 dmg, BUT that requires 2 cards for only 6 dmg, where my 1 phoenix deals 7 dmg, and cost does not matter because we are dealing with pillarless decks and the quanta production is the same.

you also get the same problems i do, not getting cremations and rols (i use BL's) in the opening hand, but with 1 time quanta, if i have or draw on the next turn a precog, im much better off than you. 

all in all, the odds of getting the mythical 3rd turn kill is not worth the extra cards you have in the deck.  if you thinned it out by removing the armours, elixirs and explosions, replacing with 2 gavels, 2 flying weapons and 2 more minor phoenixes, i can almost guarantee that the decks TTW would decrease by a bit.

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Re: Best Lava Destroyer Rush https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18846.msg244338#msg244338
« Reply #67 on: January 10, 2011, 03:15:14 am »
Fact - precogs in a 30 card deck make it faster
Fact- most of us know this and might be insulted by you assuming that we dont.
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Re: Best Lava Destroyer Rush https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18846.msg244341#msg244341
« Reply #68 on: January 10, 2011, 03:18:46 am »
With faster meaning how fast a deck wins, no. They don't. They let you draw through the smaller deck faster, but that also means you have less total offense. With a deck that has more offensive power, a good draw can yield much more damage and thus let you win faster.

With faster meaning you get what you have out faster, then yes. You just have less, that's all.
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Re: Best Lava Destroyer Rush https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18846.msg244344#msg244344
« Reply #69 on: January 10, 2011, 03:21:15 am »
smaller decks have a better chance to get what they need, precogs make the deck smaller, getting what you need out sooner makes games faster, so yes to both #2 and part of #1

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Re: Best Lava Destroyer Rush https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18846.msg244347#msg244347
« Reply #70 on: January 10, 2011, 03:24:20 am »
Yes, I said that. But unfortunately you're not hitting a brick wall, you're fighting an enemy that may very well reduce your offense in many ways. Even discounting that from happening, you still have less total offense and will do less damage compared to a deck that has more and draws decently.

What Precogs in the end do is reduce bad draws at the cost of total offense.
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Re: Best Lava Destroyer Rush https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18846.msg244365#msg244365
« Reply #71 on: January 10, 2011, 03:43:40 am »
Yes, I said that. But unfortunately you're not hitting a brick wall, you're fighting an enemy that may very well reduce your offense in many ways. Even discounting that from happening, you still have less total offense and will do less damage compared to a deck that has more and draws decently.

What Precogs in the end do is reduce bad draws at the cost of total offense.
We have already gone through this before. Ill do it a little more in depth though. With my deck, da supa rush, the longest game I had was 7 turns. I was still drawing monsters, and still had plenty in my deck. It is very rare for a pure rush deck, that can consistently get 5 turn wins, it is rare to ever get over 10 turns in a battle. That means you wont go through more than 18 cards at the max 99/100 times (even less than  that probably)

Lets assume the lava golems and vamp dagger are the pure attackers.
Thats 7 cards, and then 4 cremates, and 4 ball lightnings. That is 15 cards right there. Then we also have the  phoenixes AND ball lightnings that can double as either or. Thats more than enough attackers for the avg and even not so avg game.
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