Pillar deck in TOP50

[gutsyDuck]

Hi all,
I see no where a thread about pillars deck. Is there something done for this ?
I understand that is good for new players, but playing against a pillar deck in top50, then gain elemental mastery and rare weapons or shard... I don't think it's good for the game.

[Svenningen]

Those decks are called "farms", and I disagree with u.

Pros. of farms
more people get the required cards for their decks, thus making competition harder, and making it easier and more fun for everyone.
Nice steady electrum flow
Again, more rares = more cards, more cards = more decks.

Cons.
????
to easy?

[gutsyDuck]

you are wrong with yourself
the best solution if you want every one to have more rare cards is to allow everybody to buy the card in bazaar.
Farms deck in TOP50 is just a proof that the game have been hack ( or suppose to be ) and it's not egal for everyone. you can play one hundred game without playing against farms deck. Where is fun and balance ?

[xdude]

you are wrong with yourself
the best solution if you want every one to have more rare cards is to allow everybody to buy the card in bazaar.
Farms deck in TOP50 is just a proof that the game have been hack ( or suppose to be ) and it's not egal for everyone. you can play one hundred game without playing against farms deck. Where is fun and balance ?

You can win 100 FG games without winning 1 card. Where is fun and balance?
You can draw 100 hands with no pillars. Where is fun and balance?

Luck is a major factor in any CCG.

[gutsyDuck]

yes, when you play against a farms deck you do nothing and you will have a great reward. it's more than unfair and unbalanced, it's very close to cheat. And finaly it's not logic. If you allow farm deck in top 50, it's easiest to put rare card in bazaar ( note that I prefer this solution ).

[Clathius]

An EM is 60 coins.  60 coins is 4% of the 1500 needed to upgrade a card.   You simply need to fight that same farm 20 more times and you will be able to buy an upgrade card!

Just make sure when you fight Top50, you select the option to only go up against farms.

Oh wait....

[unionruler]

Just make sure when you fight Top50, you select the option to only go up against farms.

Oh wait....

I dare you to go to the feedback/suggestions page and start a thread for such a feature 

[killfer8]

Just make sure when you fight Top50, you select the option to only go up against farms.

Oh wait....

I dare you to go to the feedback/suggestions page and start a thread for such a feature 

I would do it but they may criticize me. Besides It's more fun to search a farm killing all rainbows in T50 ( the only bad thing is that when you find a farm and win and in the slots you get a pillar or 0 rare cards its to stressing  )

[bojengles77]

you are wrong with yourself
the best solution if you want every one to have more rare cards is to allow everybody to buy the card in bazaar.
Farms deck in TOP50 is just a proof that the game have been hack ( or suppose to be ) and it's not egal for everyone. you can play one hundred game without playing against farms deck. Where is fun and balance ?

Excuse me? Wouldn't allowing rare cards to be bought in the forum make them... common?

You'll find that, even with rare farms in t50, it can take a long time to get enough of the rare cards you want or need. I wanted to make the RoL fractal deck when 1.21 came out, as i had been testing it successfully in trainer. However, i had no lobotomizers and it took me a couple weeks to finally get enough to play the deck. t50 farms just help the process along and make the game more enjoyable for everyone.

[Ashebrethafe]

Just make sure when you fight Top50, you select the option to only go up against farms.

Oh wait....

I dare you to go to the feedback/suggestions page and start a thread for such a feature 

Before this can be done, we need an official definition of "farm deck," so that when the game decides whether or not any given deck is a farm, we have a way to validate that decision.

you are wrong with yourself
the best solution if you want every one to have more rare cards is to allow everybody to buy the card in bazaar.
Farms deck in TOP50 is just a proof that the game have been hack ( or suppose to be ) and it's not egal for everyone. you can play one hundred game without playing against farms deck. Where is fun and balance ?

I also suggested (here (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,1431.140.html)) making it possible to buy rares in the bazaar -- specifically, rares sold by another player, who would be able to set their own price.

On the other hand, a possible anti-farm measure would be to add a rule that changes to a player's deck aren't reflected in T50 until that player has beaten AI3 with the new deck.

Excuse me? Wouldn't allowing rare cards to be bought in the [bazaar] make them... common?

Only if the bazaar had an unlimited supply of them. I'm suggesting that the supply of each rare card be limited to the number of copies sold by players.

You can win 100 FG games without winning 1 card. Where is fun and balance?

Like Clathius said, winning 100 FG games will at least give you enough electrum to upgrade 4 cards.

You can draw 100 hands with no pillars. Where is fun and balance?

OK, there's no guaranteed benefit this time... but the chance of this happening is less than 1 in 244,000, even if my deck has 1 pillar and 59 other zero-cost cards (negating the effect of the auto-mulligan). And if that pillar was the only zero-cost card in the deck, the chance of drawing no-pillar starting hands in 100 consecutive games would be less than 1 in 59.5 billion. (If everyone in the world played 100 games with each of 9 such decks, you'd expect it to happen to one person, with one deck.)

[plastiqe]

I made a topic about this once, the poll asked:

Do you think rare farms in the top 50 should be part of the game?
84.3% Yes
15.7% No (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,3549.0.html)

[MrBlonde]

yes, when you play against a farms deck you do nothing and you will have a great reward. it's more than unfair and unbalanced, it's very close to cheat. And finaly it's not logic. If you allow farm deck in top 50, it's easiest to put rare card in bazaar ( note that I prefer this solution ).

Somone always has to complain i guess. I am one of those players i suppose you would consider as propagating "cheating". With that said, I will give you some of the reasons why i consistently have a farm in the T50.

1. I earned quite a few rares through farms and wanted to give back to the community
2. I like helping people out. Loopholes have existed in many games that would be considered cheating. Power leveling in MMO's through friends is one example.
3. I want as many people as possible to play this game and continue playing this game. Many players get quite frustrated with this game as it can be pretty difficult and it is really grindy. A portion of the community really don't like PvE and not having farms to get certain rares would probably cause some of that population to just quit. It's kinda like power leveling a new character you want to try out. You don't want to have to go through the exhausting grind again just to play a different type of deck. Besides it helps a lot of the newbies out.
4. Electrum isn't that easy to get considering it costs 1500 to upgrade a card and the more people with more cards the better.

And yeah it's easier to put the rare cards in the bazaar but that would no longer make them rare. Although they are somewhat easy to get through the T50 it still is work and getting all the rares is no easy task. And you preferring to have them in the bazaar really makes no sense. That just takes away a portion of this game that  players enjoy.  Rarity is always a good thing in keeping a game audience captive.