Weeping Angel | Weeping Angel

[dracomageat]

when cloak is removed, i think the most appropriate response is for it to instantly become a permanent again.  in the event that all permanent slots are somehow filled up (rarity, but i suppose a bad deck could manage this), the angel will go poof, and you will have nobody to blame but yourself.

Once cloak has gone "poof" there will be atleast 1 permanent slot available. This will only be an issue if you have two or more angels.

[n00b]

I like it moo! When using cloak you hit higher, then cloak goes away and it's back to a permanent! Original, nice pic, and seal-of-approval worthy

[moomoose]

when cloak is removed, i think the most appropriate response is for it to instantly become a permanent again.  in the event that all permanent slots are somehow filled up (rarity, but i suppose a bad deck could manage this), the angel will go poof, and you will have nobody to blame but yourself.

Once cloak has gone "poof" there will be atleast 1 permanent slot available. This will only be an issue if you have two or more angels.

well, yeah, that's why i specified it was 1) a rarity and 2) their own fault.

fractaling creatures copies of the weeping angel card, which always starts as a permanent. they do not immediately go into play as a creature if there is already cloak in place, ill add it to the notes in a bit

That's probably a good idea. Fractal has enough abuse cases already. We don't need Fractal Weeping Angel OTKs. Besides, that's the same thing that happens when you Fractal a Weapon, right?

PU, though... I don't see a problem with it directly copying the creature. What does everyone else think?
Regarding the discussion of CC - RoF already destroys cloak, and Fire has access to Deflag and Fire Shield if the player really wants to kill the Angel.

Pandemonium doesn't get much use or love, however. What if the Angel had 4 hp so that players could get lucky with the occasional Pandemonium-based Shockwave or Lightning? That would make pandemonium finally have a nice instance where RoF isn't the superior choice by default.

PU- yeah, PU copies as-is, mitosis and fractal, however make base card copies. good distinction.
pand- sounds like a good idea, 4hp sounds fair.

[RagingAlien]

This'll bring so much love to so many cards that need it... This is definitively worth of my extremely rare Seal of Approval.

[n00b]

Wtf? I thought only I could have a seal of approval... it's in the rules. /ban

[RagingAlien]

... i did that picture almost one year and a half ago. so yeah.

[maverixk]

What would happen if you managed to get out more weeping angels as creatures than you had open permanent slots?

[RagingAlien]

Read the whole thread.

[moomoose]

what do you mean, more angels in play than you have permanents for them to revert back to after cloak?  that is addressed in the notes

[moomoose]

lowered the card cost, am hesitant to lower it further due to copying effects, thoughts?

morm's analysis was spot on for a single card, but at risk of being copied, the creatures would become way too efficient even with a 3-4 turn 'limit' on them.

[RagingAlien]

Hm. I think it's perfect now as it is, so you can submit it to the Crucible already, i think.

This'll bring so much love to so many cards that need it... This is definitively worth of my extremely rare Seal of Approval.

[gumbeh]

An interesting distinction (one which allows for more intelligent "playing against" options) might be having it drop to Perm status at end of turn instead of instantly when Cloak is lost.

That way, with 4 HP, someone can double up on RoF in one turn (or follow RoF with other CC) if he really, really wants them dead. Which may well be the case if you have 8 of them on the field due to PU or Mitosis.

So it'd be like
(own turn)
PU x2 on some of your existing Weeping Angels

(enemy turn)
RoF, cloak dispelled, 3 x Fire Lance kills 3 Angels, the rest despawn into Permanent form at end of turn. Then you can re-cloak next.

Alternatively, the Permanent form could potentially "remember" stat changes such that when they go back out, the ones that were RoF'd only have 1 HP.

My 2 cents, I prefer options for intelligent counter-play to exist, especially if it's not easy or takes a couple cards to do. My way, Pandemonium MIGHT counter the Weeping Angel in one card, but RoF requires 2 cards and is a guaranteed counter.