[Official] Holy Light | Holy Flash

[TheAccuso]

I was listing details. Not making a claim one way or the other. One cannot balance Holy Light without mentioning Luciferin and Heal.

My opinion is that, excluding events like War/Trials and excluding the situational bonus against SoSac, Holy Light is inferior to Luciferin.
Cost: I would prefer to pay 2 over paying 1 . Likewise I would prefer to pay 1 over paying 0 with mulligan interference.
[Winner: Luciferin]
Effect: Excluding the cases I mentioned I was excluding, Luciferin is Holy Light+.
[Winner: Luciferin]
Additional: Luciferin does not have an Elemental Hate mechanic.
[Winner: Luciferin]

definitely right.
so this brings another convintion that this card really need some overall changes

[kimham8a]

how about it is a pernament that heals light and life creatures by 1 hp per turn? And a small chance to bless? Cost 1 light per turn, like inundation, start cost maybe 4.

[Drake_XIV]

That's just changing Holy Light completely.  The idea would be best kept to a cheap spell that healed.  Maybe with an extra efffect, but nothing more.

[OldTrees]

how about it is a pernament that heals light and life creatures by 1 hp per turn? And a small chance to bless? Cost 1 light per turn, like inundation, start cost maybe 4.

Typically these threads are about buffing or nerfing the card. Not replacing the card with an unrelated card.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

Hmm, I think it's easy to understand that I'd rather not see this card buffed.

Holy Light is one of the few hard counter cards, they're not very effective in many cases, but when they are, they are ridiculously overpowered and game changing. There is no single card that can deal as much CC damage as Holy Light and it's one of the cheapest cards as well.

I personally would like to see a buff accompanied with a nerf or removal of it's damage against Death/Darkness creatures (buff: let it heal them, too? :P). One curious buff would be for it to turn into damage upon reflection (nice indirect buff to Reflective/Mirror Shield, obviously implying it would be reflected).

[OldTrees]

I personally would like to see a buff accompanied with a nerf or removal of it's damage against Death/Darkness creatures

I second this. Reducing the situational overpowered nature of Holy Light would make it more balanced in specialized formats and allow the primary effect to be buffed.

[mildlyfrightenedboy]

*Cough* coming from the Master of Darkness *cough*

No, JK, I would love to see the removal of Holy Light's offense.

[eaglgenes101]

*Cough* coming from the Master of Darkness *cough*

No, JK, I would love to see the removal of Holy Light's offense.

And have that piece of theme replaced with cards such as revenant.

[TheAccuso]

Hmm, I think it's easy to understand that I'd rather not see this card buffed.

Holy Light is one of the few hard counter cards, they're not very effective in many cases, but when they are, they are ridiculously overpowered and game changing. There is no single card that can deal as much CC damage as Holy Light and it's one of the cheapest cards as well.

I personally would like to see a buff accompanied with a nerf or removal of it's damage against Death/Darkness creatures (buff: let it heal them, too? :P). One curious buff would be for it to turn into damage upon reflection (nice indirect buff to Reflective/Mirror Shield, obviously implying it would be reflected).

Of course hl is cheaper but...fire bolt deal3 for every 10 quanta...3x(75:10)=3x7=21_ice bolt deal 2 for every 10 quanta...2x(77:10)=2x7=14_drain life equa) and you can built a strategy around them, can't say the same with holy light unless you're gonna face only death/darkness decks.
the main problem is it don't really fit in any deck.
i'm not sure 'bout the math, i never used a firestall or so

[Alchemist]

Since everyone agrees that Holy Light became totaly useless and UP, accept for mono  players who find it waaaay OP (lol), and personaly, I believe that useless cards need usefull buffs, so.... How bout that with all effects HL already has it would give sanctuary status to caster for 1-2 turns? Since sanctuary effect already is light effect, and Arena is overfilled with denial decks.

[ARTHANASIOS]

Everyone is complaining about how powerful mono- and mono- rushing decks are and you want to nerf the only card that really can rape them? Give me a brake. Remove Holy Light's damage dealing in  and  if you feel like, just not let you hear again how powerful and  are. I know I sound like a retarded bastard with inferiority complex, but Elements was always a rock-paper-scissor game. A mono- beats mono- , a mono- beats mono- and mono- beats mono- , so mono- beats mono- & ; there are countless examples like these.

[OldTrees]

Everyone is complaining about how powerful mono- and mono- rushing decks are and you want to nerf the only card that really can rape them? Give me a brake. Remove Holy Light's damage dealing in  and  if you feel like, just not let you hear again how powerful and  are. I know I sound like a retarded bastard with inferiority complex, but Elements was always a rock-paper-scissor game. A mono- beats mono- , a mono- beats mono- and mono- beats mono- , so mono- beats mono- & ; there are countless examples like these.

These examples or others like them will always exist. It is not relevant to whether Holy Light would be better as a less situational card (aka stronger base effect, less elemental hate).