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Re: Instosis [FG][OTK][Arena] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.msg534747#msg534747
« Reply #540 on: August 19, 2012, 07:03:02 am »
I'd say stick with RoL hope. It has a winrate pretty close to instosis that it's not that big a difference until you can make instosis fully upped.

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Up until now, it was doing absolutely great.

But for whatever reason, all day today and all of tonight, I have beaten a whopping 11 FG's. (out of at least 30-35)

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Re: Instosis [FG][OTK][Arena] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.msg534748#msg534748
« Reply #541 on: August 19, 2012, 07:05:35 am »
I'd say stick with RoL hope. It has a winrate pretty close to instosis that it's not that big a difference until you can make instosis fully upped.

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Up until now, it was doing absolutely great.

But for whatever reason, all day today and all of tonight, I have beaten a whopping 11 FG's. (out of at least 30-35)
Just a bad luck streak then.
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Re: Instosis [FG][OTK][Arena] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.msg534758#msg534758
« Reply #542 on: August 19, 2012, 07:40:53 am »
3 Losses against Fire Queen, and then 1 against Rainbow.
Done with RoL/Hope. At least until Instosis makes me enough to rebuild it >_>

Sold RoL-Hope (Except the Electrocutors)

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Re: Instosis [FG][OTK][Arena] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.msg534860#msg534860
« Reply #543 on: August 19, 2012, 08:09:14 pm »
I've played about 60 games with it and have maybe a 40% win/loss for some reason. (been playing around with it on the trainer)
I know most of it is my problem, not knowing exactly when to chain my dials, when to discard or go ahead and get singularity, or other general adjustment-to-new-deck syndrome problems.

This is something you can only figure it out by yourself with a lot of playing, since there is not a specific perfect moment to start chaining. It mostly depends from 1) your hand, 2) the amount of PC the god have. I put a study on 500 games that you can look to see if you're going particularly bad vs some god, feel free to ask me any question on specific gods and i'll tell you what my strategy is. It's here: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,32309.msg530261.html#msg530261

Also semi-upped Instosis works generally fine and I lot better from RoL/Hope, at least from my experience. I'd up cards in this order (besides SN and Dragon) -> Hourglass, Towers, Skyblitz, SoR, Sundials, Mitosis, Chimera.

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Re: Instosis [FG][OTK][Arena] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.msg535059#msg535059
« Reply #544 on: August 20, 2012, 09:22:23 am »
I've played about 60 games with it and have maybe a 40% win/loss for some reason. (been playing around with it on the trainer)
I know most of it is my problem, not knowing exactly when to chain my dials, when to discard or go ahead and get singularity, or other general adjustment-to-new-deck syndrome problems.

This is something you can only figure it out by yourself with a lot of playing, since there is not a specific perfect moment to start chaining. It mostly depends from 1) your hand, 2) the amount of PC the god have. I put a study on 500 games that you can look to see if you're going particularly bad vs some god, feel free to ask me any question on specific gods and i'll tell you what my strategy is. It's here: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,32309.msg530261.html#msg530261

Also semi-upped Instosis works generally fine and I lot better from RoL/Hope, at least from my experience. I'd up cards in this order (besides SN and Dragon) -> Hourglass, Towers, Skyblitz, SoR, Sundials, Mitosis, Chimera.
Chimera has more cost than mitosis. Upping it first decreases SoR's absorbing :gravity to make you not play the chimera. So,chimera first.
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Re: Instosis [FG][OTK][Arena] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.msg535060#msg535060
« Reply #545 on: August 20, 2012, 09:30:17 am »
I've played about 60 games with it and have maybe a 40% win/loss for some reason. (been playing around with it on the trainer)
I know most of it is my problem, not knowing exactly when to chain my dials, when to discard or go ahead and get singularity, or other general adjustment-to-new-deck syndrome problems.

This is something you can only figure it out by yourself with a lot of playing, since there is not a specific perfect moment to start chaining. It mostly depends from 1) your hand, 2) the amount of PC the god have. I put a study on 500 games that you can look to see if you're going particularly bad vs some god, feel free to ask me any question on specific gods and i'll tell you what my strategy is. It's here: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,32309.msg530261.html#msg530261

Also semi-upped Instosis works generally fine and I lot better from RoL/Hope, at least from my experience. I'd up cards in this order (besides SN and Dragon) -> Hourglass, Towers, Skyblitz, SoR, Sundials, Mitosis, Chimera.
Chimera has more cost than mitosis. Upping it first decreases SoR's absorbing :gravity to make you not play the chimera. So,chimera first.

You play Mitosis first, and you play Chimera after Sky Blitz, your point here is invalid.
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Re: Instosis [FG][OTK][Arena] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.msg535063#msg535063
« Reply #546 on: August 20, 2012, 10:07:13 am »
No, Chimera upped first.
Chimera has a risk of not being able to be played because it is played after playing SoR (which may eat your :gravity)
Mitosis? Well, the :life needed can't be absorbed by SoR since you cost SoR after the Mitosis.
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Re: Instosis [FG][OTK][Arena] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.msg535089#msg535089
« Reply #547 on: August 20, 2012, 01:31:14 pm »
After playing 800 games where they wouldn't have made a difference if upped/unupped I can say that it's quite useless to discuss what upping first. Just up them whenever you can without hurry.

Still... my 2 cents:

No, Chimera upped first.
Chimera has a risk of not being able to be played because it is played after playing SoR (which may eat your :gravity)
Mitosis? Well, the :life needed can't be absorbed by SoR since you cost SoR after the Mitosis.

All valid points, but if you have Dragon+Mitosis upped you can play them after 2 SN (and other 8  :time total). This can make a little difference vs Serket or Divine Glory that don't have CC (not really vs Ferox and Miracle but still...) and also you can "gamble" the combo sooner vs FG with heavy PC where your dials risk to be destroyed (and you don't have all the 7-8 cards). There are pro and cons for both upped first, but I think those are very limited situations that can rarely occur.
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Re: Instosis [FG][OTK][Arena] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.msg535139#msg535139
« Reply #548 on: August 20, 2012, 06:34:53 pm »
Unupped chimera costs 7 :gravity. If you used up all 6 SNs, you'll have more than enough quanta to cast it (I highly doubt 4 SoRs will absorb 6 :gravity when each SoR absorbs an average of .25 :gravity, making you have an average of 11). Even if you only cast 5SN, the chances of not being able to cast sky blitz is less than not being able to cast chimera. In all my games playing with instosis, I've used an unupped chimera because I was too lazy to up it. I never once ran out of :gravity.

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Re: Instosis [FG][OTK][Arena] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.msg535141#msg535141
« Reply #549 on: August 20, 2012, 06:37:08 pm »
Unupped chimera costs 7 :gravity. If you used up all 6 SNs, you'll have more than enough quanta to cast it (I highly doubt 4 SoRs will absorb 6 :gravity when each SoR absorbs an average of .25 :gravity, making you have an average of 11). Even if you only cast 5SN, the chances of not being able to cast sky blitz is less than not being able to cast chimera. In all my games playing with instosis, I've used an unupped chimera because I was too lazy to up it. I never once ran out of :gravity.
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Re: Instosis [FG][OTK][Arena] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.msg535241#msg535241
« Reply #550 on: August 21, 2012, 02:09:42 am »
Akebono - Easy - Need Chimera - Start Sundial chain above 50 HP because of Titan.



Please explain. His SoFo eat my sundials like f*&%ing Skittles.

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Re: Instosis [FG][OTK][Arena] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.msg535242#msg535242
« Reply #551 on: August 21, 2012, 02:14:23 am »
Akebono - Easy - Need Chimera - Start Sundial chain above 50 HP because of Titan.



Please explain. His SoFo eat my sundials like f*&%ing Skittles.
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