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Donate | Give https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34194.msg431322#msg431322
« on: November 27, 2011, 06:05:04 am »
NAME:
Donate
ELEMENT:
Light
COST:
2 :light
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Give the target card to your opponent.
NAME:
Give
ELEMENT:
Light
COST:
1 :light
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Give the target card to your opponent.
ART:
http://www.latexsens.com/your%20own%20helping%20hand.jpg
IDEA:
Various, particularly zgatt (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=30838.0)
NOTES:
You can target a card in your hand, or a permanent or creature on the field. If you give a card in your hand it will go to the opponent's hand. If you give a permanent or creature it will go to your opponent's field.

If your opponent already has 8 cards in hand, one of their cards will be replaced with the new card. If your opponent has Sanctuary active, it will not work if you target a card.

This can be used to:

- Give Antimattered creatures
- Give Malignant cells
- Give malicious permanents (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,33930) (none in game yet)
- Replace the opponent's weapon or shield (even immaterial)
- Fill your opponent's hand if they have 7 cards, forcing them to miss a draw
- Destroy a card in your opponent's hand if they have 8 cards
- Empty your hand for Fractal or extra drawing
- Put a Ghost of the Past card directly into your opponent's hand
- Give the opponent Relics to clog their hand
- Give the opponent a Dissipation Shield/Field to drain their quanta

This concept is not new, but I've never seen any card like this in the Crucible or above, nor have I seen this exact mechanic posted.
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Re: Donate | Give https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34194.msg431374#msg431374
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2011, 10:54:16 am »
I like the idea, but in the current game there are not enough synergies to make it valuable
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Re: Donate | Give https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34194.msg431379#msg431379
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2011, 11:00:42 am »
Looks fun, is the creature/permanent put in the hand of the opponent or directly in it's field?
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Re: Donate | Give https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34194.msg431383#msg431383
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2011, 11:07:27 am »
Looks fun, is the creature/permanent put in the hand of the opponent or directly in it's field?
look at the notes, if its in play it goes to their field, if its in your hand then it goes to your opponents hand...

I want to make a deck using this to help my opponents...
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Re: Donate | Give https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34194.msg431404#msg431404
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2011, 01:21:46 pm »
Looks fun, is the creature/permanent put in the hand of the opponent or directly in it's field?
look at the notes, if its in play it goes to their field, if its in your hand then it goes to your opponents hand...

I want to make a deck using this to help my opponents...
but how can you target something in your hand?
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Re: Donate | Give https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34194.msg431405#msg431405
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2011, 01:26:57 pm »
Easily. You do it when you discard ...
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Re: Donate | Give https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34194.msg431445#msg431445
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2011, 05:30:10 pm »
Easily. You do it when you discard ...
Oh that way, i though there would come target things around each card
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Re: Donate | Give https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34194.msg431456#msg431456
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2011, 05:59:46 pm »
Easily. You do it when you discard ...
Oh that way, i though there would come target things around each card
The technicalities on how it could work don't really matter. What we should be discussing is how this mechanic makes this card better/worse.

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Re: Donate | Give https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34194.msg431751#msg431751
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2011, 05:07:54 am »
I'm guessing sanctuary would limit this to the field only? Why would sanctuary prevent cards in the field from being targeted?

Also, why "Destroy a card in your opponent's hand if they have 8 cards"?
Much like the case of SoSe and Hourglasses, if they're used and the hand is full, then their effect isn't fully realized/doesn't happen. Why should Donate|Give differ?
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Re: Donate | Give https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34194.msg431752#msg431752
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2011, 05:09:37 am »
I'm guessing sanctuary would limit this to the field only?

Also, why "Destroy a card in your opponent's hand if they have 8 cards"?
Much like the case of SoSe and Hourglasses, if they're used and the hand is full, then their effect isn't fully realized/doesn't happen. Why should Donate|Give differ?
As the notes say, Sanctuary does indeed have that effect.

It differs to make it more useful. Without that feature it would become even more situational.
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Re: Donate | Give https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34194.msg431754#msg431754
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2011, 05:16:43 am »
 Mmm... I just realized that your opponent will never have 8 cards in his/her hand unless you use nightmare first, making it pretty situational in the first place.  :-[
Still, why thematically, then?
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Re: Donate | Give https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34194.msg432130#msg432130
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2011, 02:27:44 am »
Great idea. Another "clogging" concept like your Weed and my Kudzu, though it has hints of PU and Nightkare as well. It's also interesting how it's the opposite of Steal in some ways, which works as a Light card to directly oppose Darkness.

I'm not sure how its being somewhat situational would affect its...well, effectiveness. I'll see what more experienced card creators have to say.

 

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