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Enthusiasm | Zeal https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36866.msg462931#msg462931
« on: February 21, 2012, 01:35:31 am »
NAME:
Enthusiasm
ELEMENT:
Fire
COST:
15 :fire
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
The target creature uses its skill as many times as it can at increased cost. Drains all :fire  quanta.
NAME:
Zeal
ELEMENT:
Fire
COST:
12 :fire
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
The target creature uses its skill as many times as it can at increased cost. Drains all :fire  quanta.

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NOTES:
This is basically quanta denial on an opponent's creature, or multi-using a skill on a friendly creature. The increased cost is +4 for 0 cost, +3 for 1 or 2 cost, +2 for 3 to 6 cost, +1 for 7 to 14 cost, and +0 for anything above that.
The increased cost of skills, in part, is to reduce OPness, especially with SoR. (For a case, Rustler + SoR + This) The quanta usage is not dynamic; it drains all of it, determines how many times it can be used (rounding up), then uses the skill that many times.
Targeting skills have targets chosen randomly on the side(s) it could be profitable on. (Antimatter on the opponent's, Heal on yours, Liquid shadow on either, for examples)
As far as I can tell, dive and sky blitz work by increasing the attack value by the attack value. So a pegasus that activated 3 times would be boosted by 3, not by 7.
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NAME:
Enthusiasm
ELEMENT:
Fire
COST:
15 :fire
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
The target creature uses its skill as many times as it can at increased cost. Drains all :fire quanta.
NAME:
Zeal
ELEMENT:
Fire
COST:
12 :fire
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
The target creature uses its skill as many times as it can at increased cost. Drains all :fire quanta.
ART:
pending
IDEA:
eaglgenes101
NOTES:
This is basically quanta denial on an opponent's creature, or multi-using a skill on a friendly creature. The increased cost is +4 for 0 cost, +3 for 1 or 2 cost, +2 for 3 to 6 cost, +1 for 7 to 14 cost, and +0 for anything above that.
The increased cost of skills, in part, is to reduce OPness, especially with SoR. (For a case, Rustler + SoR + This) The quanta usage is not dynamic; it drains all of it, determines how many times it can be used (rounding up), then uses the skill that many times.
Targeting skills have targets chosen randomly on the side(s) it could be profitable on. (Antimatter on the opponent's, Heal on yours, Liquid shadow on either, for examples)
As far as I can tell, dive and sky blitz work by increasing the attack value by the attack value. So a pegasus that activated 3 times would be boosted by 3, not by 7.
SERIES:
Series: Mind (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,37400.0.html)
« Last Edit: December 01, 2014, 07:31:51 am by eaglgenes101 »
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Re: Enthusiasm | Zeal https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36866.msg462942#msg462942
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2012, 02:04:31 am »
SoR Rustler bork. XD I like your solution to it.

Anyway, does it mean it'll increase cost of ability by 1 per use?
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Re: Enthusiasm | Zeal https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36866.msg463266#msg463266
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2012, 10:56:27 pm »
Are you able to control how many times the skill is used? Looking at the text it seems that the skill is automatically used, which could be a problem for skills with targeting.
If an AI controls your targets, it could be unstable.

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Re: Enthusiasm | Zeal https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36866.msg463361#msg463361
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2012, 04:25:55 am »
SoR Rustler bork. XD I like your solution to it.

Anyway, does it mean it'll increase cost of ability by 1 per use?
No it means the cost is one more than usual for those usages. A steam machine would make 7 uses out of 21 fire quanta, not including the cost of this spell.
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Re: Enthusiasm | Zeal https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36866.msg463389#msg463389
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2012, 06:13:32 am »
Mitosis + SoR + any dragon. :|

23 dragons blargh.
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Re: Enthusiasm | Zeal https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36866.msg463395#msg463395
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2012, 06:32:20 am »
Mitosis + SoR + any dragon. :|

23 dragons blargh.
That's SoR's problem, not this card's. Ever heard of Instosis? It's 9 dragons out of one dragon, mitosis, and 4 SoRs. For only 10 time quanta, 4 life quanta, and 20 other quanta.
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Re: Enthusiasm | Zeal https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36866.msg463418#msg463418
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2012, 10:35:57 am »
People seem to be inventing many spells which use all your :fire quanta at the moment, see this one, Fury | Berserk (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,36659.0.html) and Apocalypse | Apocalypse (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,17546.0.html) ... Anyway, this looks appealing, too.

Anyway, does it mean it'll increase cost of ability by 1 per use?
No it means the cost is one more than usual for those usages.
Well, why not? In my opinion, that would not make this card UP: Take a Lava Golem. If you have accumulated 75 :earth, this spell, as suggested by you, would make it go +74|+74 immediately and permanently! Similar for every other Growth or Ablaze creature ... But if you take the normal skill cost and increase it by 1 per subsequent skill use, the bonus would be +22|+22 which is still enough given your opponent doesn't expect that (compare with Sky Blitz on a single Dragon which can give up to +15|+0 for a single turn at the cost of all :air; well, most of the time, it'll be more than one Dragon). Paired with Mitosis, one SoR (instead of 4) and Sky Blitz on a Silurian Dragon, a six card combo requiring 4 :life, 3 :rainbow, 12 :fire, 33 :time, 8 :air and 6 :gravity would suffice to emulate the Instosis OTK move.

A steam machine would make 7 uses out of 21 fire quanta, not including the cost of this spell.
So you specify that the :fire quanta is removed after the effect has taken place. I'd make it the same way but just wanted to emphasize it.

A card like this would encourage the use of quanta heavy decks similar to Stone Skin, Drain Life and the Bolts, which is a good thing in my opinion.
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Re: Enthusiasm | Zeal https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36866.msg463608#msg463608
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2012, 02:13:26 am »
for balancing purposes, this should drain quanta first, AND skill cost should be doubled(bar 0 cost skills-they cost 1).
The way it is currently written(base don your notes) it cost 1 additonal quanta of the cards element. Leaves the question of what happens to cards whos activation cost is in a different element?

As I see it now, it's a bit OP and needs some work. But keep at it, you may be on to something.
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Re: Enthusiasm | Zeal https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36866.msg463618#msg463618
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2012, 02:50:56 am »
Define "at increased cost". If it isn't done right, this card will be all kinds of wrong. Especially with SoR... I think it might break the game and i'm not just talking about metagame; it could cause an infinite loop! *sniff* Is that a burning motherboard I smell?
consider:
-Butterfly Effect
-Trident + flying weapon
-Mitosis combos as mentioned before
-Antimatter (though I like this one as an SoS counter... *evil chuckle*)
-Unstable gas (air nymph generation ability)
-Poison (chrysaora -> hello automatic OTK)
-Ablaze, growth, steam (even more autokills)
-Cat + bonewall and / or vulture (one is OTK, the other is infinite boneshield)

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Re: Enthusiasm | Zeal https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36866.msg463631#msg463631
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2012, 03:16:19 am »
Define "at increased cost". If it isn't done right, this card will be all kinds of wrong. Especially with SoR... I think it might break the game and i'm not just talking about metagame; it could cause an infinite loop! *sniff* Is that a burning motherboard I smell?
consider:
-Butterfly Effect
-Trident + flying weapon
-Mitosis combos as mentioned before
-Antimatter (though I like this one as an SoS counter... *evil chuckle*)
-Unstable gas (air nymph generation ability)
-Poison (chrysaora -> hello automatic OTK)
-Ablaze, growth, steam (even more autokills)
-Cat + bonewall and / or vulture (one is OTK, the other is infinite boneshield)
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The increased cost is +1, of the creature's element if none is specified. One-use skills are still one-use, but sacrifice creature skills can be used multiple times.
So it would cost some quanta no matter what, which means it wouldn't go on forever.

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Re: Enthusiasm | Zeal https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36866.msg463638#msg463638
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2012, 03:34:35 am »
Golden Nymph+This
:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD deckout.
Or would it stop when your hand is full?

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Re: Enthusiasm | Zeal https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36866.msg463645#msg463645
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2012, 03:51:43 am »
A mitosis on a Shard of Focus would render the game broken.
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