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Apocalypse | Apocalypse https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17546.msg223653#msg223653
« on: December 13, 2010, 01:16:09 pm »
NAME:
Apocalypse
ELEMENT:
Fire
COST:
15 :fire
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
-
TEXT:
Destroy all the creatures and permanents on the field. All your fire quanta left are consumed.
NAME:
Apocalypse
ELEMENT:
Fire
COST:
12 :fire
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
-
TEXT:
Destroy all the creatures and permanents on the field. All your fire quanta left are consumed.
ART:
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IDEA:
qetuol
NOTES:
Burrowed, flying, invisible, immaterial cards are also destroyed. Phoenix is completely destroyed too (no Ashes remain).
There are several Armageddon-type ideas, but neither of them are balanced or good-looking. I think this is.
SERIES:
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Re: Apocalypse | Apocalypse https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17546.msg223669#msg223669
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2010, 01:47:15 pm »
i see this as op, the only thing i can think of is all quanta no matter what type is consumed

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Re: Apocalypse | Apocalypse https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17546.msg223671#msg223671
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2010, 01:47:59 pm »
Except when I play only 5 :fire towers, wait a couple of turns, play this, and when the opponent has absolutely nothing, overwhelm them with this. Since the opponent may not know you have this card, they'll play every pillar they can early on. Once you play this, it's like a giant middle finger.
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Re: Apocalypse | Apocalypse https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17546.msg223916#msg223916
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2010, 08:22:29 pm »
Except when I play only 5 :fire towers, wait a couple of turns, play this, and when the opponent has absolutely nothing, overwhelm them with this. Since the opponent may not know you have this card, they'll play every pillar they can early on. Once you play this, it's like a giant middle finger.
yup.

Way too OP sorry..

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Re: Apocalypse | Apocalypse https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17546.msg223954#msg223954
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2010, 09:28:04 pm »
ooh this just gave me a reealy good idea for the risky buisness series. thanks for the idea, but i still think it is op

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Re: Apocalypse | Apocalypse https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17546.msg224131#msg224131
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2010, 12:04:08 am »
First of all, zanz doesn't like instant kill effects. Secondly, are you going to plan to create a series for this? Because the apocalypse may not end in fire you know.
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Re: Apocalypse | Apocalypse https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17546.msg224243#msg224243
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2010, 01:50:31 am »
Except when I play only 5 :fire towers, wait a couple of turns, play this, and when the opponent has absolutely nothing, overwhelm them with this. Since the opponent may not know you have this card, they'll play every pillar they can early on. Once you play this, it's like a giant middle finger.
I think the card is OP, but I disagree with your reasoning entirely. If an opponent gets punished for misplaying based on misreading the opponent's deck that isn't a sign that the card is OP, thats a sign that the player made a play mistake.

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Re: Apocalypse | Apocalypse https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17546.msg224245#msg224245
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2010, 01:54:00 am »
So you're saying that the opponent not knowing he was facing someone with this card was the one at fault? Hardly an argument. I suppose we are supposed to know, and therefore prepare for, use of this card like that. It doesn't work like that.
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Re: Apocalypse | Apocalypse https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17546.msg224248#msg224248
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2010, 01:57:20 am »
Yes, that is precisely what I'm saying. Another example would be something like Rain Of Fire. You can play around Rain Of Fire, but if you play into it and lose because of it its your fault. It doesn't make Rain Of Fire overpowered.

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Re: Apocalypse | Apocalypse https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17546.msg224252#msg224252
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2010, 01:59:31 am »
I don't think anyone would walk into a duel, and say, "Oh, I didn't know you had that one specific card. I guess that means I'm at fault here."

Noone has that mentality.
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Re: Apocalypse | Apocalypse https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17546.msg224255#msg224255
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2010, 02:01:13 am »
Besides. The fact remains that the card itself would be mainly used as a threat. By putting this in your deck, the opponent now has to give up one of the most important things. Setting up for the game in the beginning. If you take that from them, they've already lost. You either win using this card, or have a high chance of winning using this card. There is no counter if you use a rush with this at the core.
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Re: Apocalypse | Apocalypse https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17546.msg224257#msg224257
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2010, 02:02:52 am »
So you're saying that the opponent not knowing he was facing someone with this card was the one at fault? Hardly an argument. I suppose we are supposed to know, and therefore prepare for, use of this card like that. It doesn't work like that.
If you face an earth deck do you slowroll your pillars just in case the opponent has quicksands?  When facing a fire deck are you careful about how large a rush you put out at once? When facing opponents you should be ready for anything. Its not your fault for not knowing its in there, but it is your fault for knowing its possible and not playing accordingly.  Meanwhile, i disapprove of this card. The main reason being that it will usually be used in situations where it will do a little to you and a lot to your opponent. Reminds me of the "Black Hole" card in yu-gi-oh. It is suppose to be more balanced since it will effect both players, but I almost never used it when I had a creature on the field.
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