Death Throes | Death Throes

[SunnyGreens]

NAME: Death Throes ELEMENT: COST: 1 TYPE: Spell ATK|HP: - ABILITY: Sacrifice target creature. Deal damage equal to its attack + 2 to first enemy creature. Excess damage is dealt to each next creature until all damage is spent.	NAME: Death Throes ELEMENT: COST: 0 TYPE: Spell ATK|HP: - ABILITY: Sacrifice target creature. Deal damage equal to its attack to first enemy creature. Excess damage is dealt to each next creature until all damage is spent.

ART: http://www.sxc.hu/ IDEA: SunnyGreens + Kangryt1 (used with permission) NOTES: Example: You sacrifice a 3 attack power creature while your opponent has three 2 health creatures on the board. Death Throes deals 3+2=5 damage to the creature in position 1. That creature only has 2 health, so the remaining 3 damage passes over to the 2 health creature in position 2. That creature also only has 2 health, so the remaining 1 damage passes over to the 2 health creature in position 3. That creature takes 1 point of damage. End result is two dead 2 HP creatures, and one surviving 2 HP creature with one point of damage. SERIES: -

[Fewk]

Has a nice synergy with death and doesn't seem too strong.

[Retribution]

It's kind of similar to plague and retrovirus.
Death already has a lot of AoE effects though...

[unionruler]

I like this card but I find it very difficult to justify occupying a card slot with it. Personally I'd go for attack power +2 and attack power +3, with both cards costing 4 or something like that; as it is a bit weak. Another possible boost would be to conservatively distribute, ie if you are supposed to deal 2 dmg to each creature and there are 1 hp enemy creatures, then the damage is not dealt until a creature with more hp absorbs it within the same turn of course.

[SunnyGreens]

Card Update:

Change 1: Reduced cost of unupgraded by 1 .
Reason: Strengthen card.

Change 2: Changed damage from distributed to conservative.
Reason: Distinguish from other area effect cards and to strengthen card.

Change 3: Gave +2/+3 bonus damage on top of sacrificed creatures attack damage.
Reason: Strengthen card and make it playable with weaker creatures.

Change 4: Updated example in notes.

[unionruler]

Change 2: Changed damage from distributed to conservative.
Reason: Distinguish from other area effect cards and to strengthen card.

Change 3: Gave +2/+3 bonus damage on top of sacrificed creatures attack damage.
Reason: Strengthen card and make it playable with weaker creatures.

I meant either or, not both  Quite sure it's overpowered now.

[SunnyGreens]

I suppose you are right. I was thinking of the low attack power creatures, but +2/+3 makes this card a bit too powerful with mid-range attack power creatures.

Card Update:

Change 1: Reduced damage bonus by 2.
Reason: Balance.

Change 2: Decreased unupgraded card's casting cost by 1 .
Reason: Balance due to damage reduction.

[Malduk]

I find the card quite interesting, but... weaker than any other CC.

Say you sacrifice Flesh Recluse, which is the best dmg/cost ratio card in arsenal (upgraded it is 6|3 for 3 ). Thats 7 dmg (upgraded version of this card) for 2 cards and 6 quanta overall. Lightning deals 5 for 1 quanta and 1 card.
IMO, you should list some available CC spells, see their dmg/cost, and make balancing decision from there, looking at both number of cards it takes away and their respective costs.

The concept of dealing damage is pretty cool though.

[PuppyChow]

Keep in mind, Malduk, that the lightning could only kill one phase recluse, for instance, while the death throes on a flesh recluse could kill three and deal one damage to another.

Still, it does seem a little bit underpowered.

[Malduk]

Yes yes, I'm aware of it. I was going to write in that last post that this type of damage is taking the best from AoE and single target spells, but then I remembered scenarios where both single target and AoE spells like RoF would be better than this one.

So, in your example, while this spell + sacrificed Flesh Recluse would kill 3 and deal dmg to 4th Phase Recluse, RoF for again less cards and less quanta would kill all Phase Recluses on the table.
Advantage of RoF type spells are that they hit all creatures regardless of their position (I'm assuming this spell would start damaging at position 1, and then spread on the next position if there is damage left, thus its possible to "block" it by playing bigger creatures first, and then some Butterflied RoL).

Single target spells have the advantage of picking their preferred target.

So, while this type of damage is definitely interesting, it still has its weak sides compared to other types, and shouldnt be overpriced in such manner. Killing your own creature (thus losing one card from your deck AND future damage that creature would do) is not a small price to pay.

[Decktrya]

D you need to change ther name of the unupped one D (the tablet is right but the picture only says Card name

[SunnyGreens]

Honestly, the only way I can see it working is with the +2/+3 version. It provides the flexibility of allowing you to use both small and large creatures sacrifices. Do you really think it is overpowered? If you use a big creature you can wipe out the board or a big creature or two, but it has a huge cost in both quanta and future damage. Cheaper creatures are more cost effective but cant be targeted and probably wouldn't splash much beyond the first target or two. If anything I would consider decreasing the cost by 1 .