[Official] Trading and other card aquisition methods

[Scaredgirl]

I know Zanz said there wouldn't be 1-on-1 card trading because it would open up many possibilities for hackers and cheaters. Today I was thinking of ways to do card trading without the need for this 1-on-1 connection.

Currently we have a Bazar that lists all the common cards. All those cards have a specific cost. Both the card name and cost is listed somewhere on a database.

Now what if players could add cards to a similar database, and assign a selling price? Here's how it could work:

SELLING CARDS
- I have one extra Eternity I want to sell
- I go to Bazaar and click a "Player Bazaar" (or whatever) tab which lists all the cards other people have put up for sale
- I then click "Sell a Card" and choose Eternity from my cards
- I insert a price of 1,000 electrum and click "Ok"
- my card is now added to the database with a price of 1,000 electrum, and will stay on that database for the next 24 hours, or until someone buys it
- I can only have 3 cards on sale at one time

BUYING CARDS
- I go to Bazaar and click a "Player Bazaar"
- I can list all the cards on sale by element, rarity, etc., and the prize is visible next to the card
- when I find what I like, I simply click it and confirm, and the cards gets transferred to me (just like buying cards in regular Bazar)

COLLECTING MONEY
Option 1:
- my card has been sold
- I go to Bazar and click a "Player Bazar"
- I click a button next to my card that was sold and receive a redeem code
- I will use this code to get my money

Option 2:
- money gets transferred to my account instantly after a purchase (I believe this is not possible though)

Now maybe this kind of system could somehow be exploited, but the way I see it, it works just like the regular Bazaar.

Also I know that this would be a pretty big project, but it could also be something that would benefit Elements a great deal.

That's it. What do you think?

[guy_fawkes]

wow, it's an amazing idea!
we just need to think about the possible way of exploiting this system...

for example:

-a player can make an account, sell all the cards, make the first quests then transfer all the money to his main account buying a pillar for 1'000 (this is no good)
-a player can transfer a lot of money to a friend account buying a pillar from him at a huge price (this is not good too)
-an hacking player could flood the market with rare cards at ridicolous prices (example: a nymph at 1 gold) thus unbalancing the market itself

i suppose that a way to solve these problems could be fixing the price of cards server side: for example an upgraded eternity value is 1300, no exceptions.

do you think that a system built like this could be exploited?

[Chemist]

Fixed prices sound better since they would prevent electrum transfers between accounts.

However even with fixed prices people could still open alt accounts (or hack) to get nymphs on the market, ruining their rarity.

[killsdazombies]

orrrr

cards can be sold for a set range, IE discord can only be put up for a price of 300-500 and a skeleton 40-80 ext ext, the price range would go up and down like if 300 people buy discord for max price, it goes up by 10 or whatever.

[guy_fawkes]

Fixed prices sound better since they would prevent electrum transfers between accounts.

However even with fixed prices people could still open alt accounts (or hack) to get nymphs on the market, ruining their rarity.

you can always "flag" some cards as "unsellable", for example nymphs could be bound to the original account.

the question is : do we really think that some cards are so powerful that they cant be sold or traded between players? that a player with a lot of money could become so powerful buying 6x of each nymph?

[Xoned]

I'm assuming that it will be a rare market? (Can the cards be upped?)
Not many people would buy common cards.

[Glitch]

If it were me, I'd have two accounts.

On one, I'd make an Ai3 farmer.  The other would be brand new.

Logging on to both simultaneously, I'll sell my Ai3 farmer for cheap and by it with my new account.

Armed with an awesome deck, I'd get 500 score easily and a free rare.

I'd then sell this rare back to myself, rinse, wash, and repeat.

[Weiyaoli]

I'm assuming that it will be a rare market? (Can the cards be upped?)
Not many people would buy common cards.

If you sell back to the bazzar, you get less than what you paid for it. If you could sell to other players and buy from other players, you could sell for more than what you would get to bazzar and buy for less than what you would need to pay for bazzar.

I think for common cards the limit should be between:
using pillar for ex:
4-6
You pay 6 per pillar and sell 4 per pillar. It means you can't abuse the system this way. Although rares don't work because you can't buy them.... :/

[Ashebrethafe]

I've suggested this a couple of times before -- in 3 most important things (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,1431.140.html) (reply 143) and Auction (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,7724.0.html) (reply 18).

• Buying cards:
  
  • the price for each card should be the average of the prices that sellers are asking for it
  • the player-bazaar decides at random which seller to buy the card from (with money from its sales)
  • I need to spend a "rare coin" to buy an ungrindable card
• Selling cards:
  
  • I can't ask for less than the computer-bazaar would give me, or more than it would take
  • I get a "rare coin" if I put an ungrindable card up for sale, which I need to give back in order to take that card down
  • this is the only way to get "rare coins"
• Collecting money:
  
  • the player-bazaar has decided to buy my card (to sell to another player)
  • I go to bazaar and click "player bazaar"
  • money gets transferred instantly to my account

[Retribution]

Is there any way of preventing selling/trading between accounts with similar computer IP addresses?

[Demagog]

Ya, pretty much what Glitch said. This is something I've done in other games (it's not frowned upon/against the rules). Put an item on the market, instantly switch over to the other account and find the item just posted for sale, then get it. There is very little chance that someone else would see it.

[DrunkDestroyer]

If it were me, I'd have two accounts.

On one, I'd make an Ai3 farmer.  The other would be brand new.

Logging on to both simultaneously, I'll sell my Ai3 farmer for cheap and by it with my new account.

Armed with an awesome deck, I'd get 500 score easily and a free rare.

I'd then sell this rare back to myself, rinse, wash, and repeat.

Although I could see this happening, I doubt it would be especially efficient(because rares are SO hard to get in T50), unless you particularly wanted a certain rare weapon.

I could however see multiple accounts used to get a better chance of getting a nymph, and then trading to a main account.