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Should the anti-matter card automatically win you the fight? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7809.msg87491#msg87491
« on: June 10, 2010, 11:41:05 am »
Whenever this absurd card is played, the person who plays it is as good as guaranteed to win the battle.

So why don't they save everyone a lot of trouble, and give the victory straight away to whoever plays it in battle? Like a one-hit KO card, which it effectively is anyway?



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Re: Should the anti-matter card automatically win you the fight? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7809.msg87496#msg87496
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2010, 11:49:48 am »
... It only stops a creature from attacking. It is a little OP, but far from insta-win.
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Re: Should the anti-matter card automatically win you the fight? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7809.msg87506#msg87506
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2010, 12:05:33 pm »
... It only stops a creature from attacking. It is a little OP, but far from insta-win.
Actually, you'll find it makes an enemy monster heal you as well, so it's nearly impossible to lose once you play it.

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Re: Should the anti-matter card automatically win you the fight? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7809.msg87508#msg87508
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2010, 12:07:09 pm »
... It only stops a creature from attacking. It is a little OP, but far from insta-win.
Actually, you'll find it makes an enemy monster heal you as well, so it's nearly impossible to lose once you play it.
Err yes, that's what I meant. However, against some decks it's actually useless. Control decks, Fractal decks, Denial decks, Swarm decks, Scarab/Pharaoh decks... All are immune to AM. It's not really insta-win.
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Re: Should the anti-matter card automatically win you the fight? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7809.msg87512#msg87512
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2010, 12:11:19 pm »
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Err yes, that's what I meant. However, against some decks it's actually useless. Control decks, Fractal decks, Denial decks, Swarm decks, Scarab/Pharaoh decks... All are immune to AM. It's not really insta-win.
All you have to do to stop most of those decks is use mutation cards as well. Pharoahs are no use if they get mutated, then have a anti-matter card played on them if their new damage output's too hight :)

So yes, anti-matter cards are still like one-hit KO cards.

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Re: Should the anti-matter card automatically win you the fight? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7809.msg87515#msg87515
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2010, 12:15:52 pm »
Name me a good pharoah deck which doesnt use rewind....

In most case, 1 quanta can counter this 6 quanta card....
Congeal it, lightning bolt it, rewind it, basilk blood it and it will be fine....

Besides there is always quinting!

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Re: Should the anti-matter card automatically win you the fight? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7809.msg87523#msg87523
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2010, 12:28:27 pm »
Name me a good pharoah deck which doesnt use rewind....

In most case, 1 quanta can counter this 6 quanta card....
Congeal it, lightning bolt it, rewind it, basilk blood it and it will be fine....

Besides there is always quinting!
I don't understand how your rewind strategy works... as soon as the mummy is turned into a pharoah, it can be mutated. Then you have to use another rewind just to put it back in your deck:)

I've worked out over time how to counter most enemy strategies, but there's nothing you can do about anti-matter :(

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Re: Should the anti-matter card automatically win you the fight? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7809.msg87527#msg87527
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2010, 12:43:06 pm »
Fight fire with fire. When he antimatters you, then you antimatter the creature back.

Ive been antimattered TONS of times and still won the game.... however, on the flip side ive also antimattered FGs tons of times and won the game too...

So heres a question, where are you facing so many antimatters that its becomming annoying? pvp? t50?fgs?
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Re: Should the anti-matter card automatically win you the fight? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7809.msg87529#msg87529
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2010, 12:49:26 pm »
I don't understand how your rewind strategy works... as soon as the mummy is turned into a pharoah, it can be mutated. Then you have to use another rewind just to put it back in your deck:)

A good pharoah deck would use phaorah... not mummy, and they would have eternity in most case

Even if it gets mutated, rewind it, at least it wont heal
It might not be the best thing to do, but definitely you will do better off then letting it heal your opponent.

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Re: Should the anti-matter card automatically win you the fight? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7809.msg87530#msg87530
« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2010, 12:49:57 pm »
Every element has a counter to antimatter:

:aether - phase dragons and immortals cannot be antimattered, quint can protect any other creature, fractal your creatures and opponent won't be able to antimatter all of them.

:air - eagle eye or shockwave to kill the antimattered creature

:darkness - kill the creature with drain life or just deny your opponent of quanta with devourers so that he is unable to play antimatter. Darkness works great with many little creatures (vampires, devourers), so it's quite effective against antimatter. Just be careful, because antimattered vampires damage you instead of healing.

:death - use aflatoxin or a virus to kill the antimattered creature, you'll gain skeletons and increase your bonewall in the process, vultures can grow back to positive strength after being antimattered

:earth - burrowed creatures cannot be antimattered, you can burrow antimattered shriekers to halve their healing, you can also basilisk blood the antimattered creature to stop it from healing for 6 turns

:entropy - mutation, chaos seed... or use another antimatter to make your creature positive again

:fire - firebolt your creature, cremate it, or wait until you can heavily damage your opponent with firebolts and only then play your creatures to finish him in one turn

:gravity - eat the antimattered creature with otyugh or use gravity pull on it

:life - you can usually play 6 cheap creatures before your opponent can play a single antimatter and some source of damage

:light - play flying morning glories, impossible to antimatter

:time - rewind the antimattered creature, play it once again and it will have a positive attack again, anubis can also be used to counter antimatter

:water - kill the creature with ice bolt or freeze/congeal it
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Re: Should the anti-matter card automatically win you the fight? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7809.msg87531#msg87531
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2010, 12:53:56 pm »
Fight fire with fire. When he antimatters you, then you antimatter the creature back.

Ive been antimattered TONS of times and still won the game.... however, on the flip side ive also antimattered FGs tons of times and won the game too...

So heres a question, where are you facing so many antimatters that its becomming annoying? pvp? t50?fgs?
lol, what you've said proves my point about how anti-matter's are unstoppable, if the only way to counter them is by using anti-matters yourself. Maybe everyone should use anti-matter decks, that really gives a good variety of tactics doesn't it?  :P

I'm not facing a great number of anti-matter decks. But i know as soon as i come across one, i'm certain to lose.

Xinef, i use a darkness deck and your strategy with that fails miserably. You clearly don't know what you're talking about  :P

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Re: Should the anti-matter card automatically win you the fight? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=7809.msg87536#msg87536
« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2010, 01:03:09 pm »
Fight fire with fire. When he antimatters you, then you antimatter the creature back.

Ive been antimattered TONS of times and still won the game.... however, on the flip side ive also antimattered FGs tons of times and won the game too...

So heres a question, where are you facing so many antimatters that its becomming annoying? pvp? t50?fgs?
lol, what you've said proves my point about how anti-matter's are unstoppable, if the only way to counter them is by using anti-matters yourself. Maybe everyone should use anti-matter decks, that really gives a good variety of tactics doesn't it?  :P

I'm not facing a great number of anti-matter decks. But i know as soon as i come across one, i'm certain to lose.

Xinef, i use a darkness deck and your strategy with that fails miserably. You clearly don't know what you're talking about  :P
Actually, no it doesnt, because Ive also LOST a great deal of them as well. And Im using a nymph, so I get infinite antimatter with 1 card which is a big difference. Every single time I have to use it more than 1-2 times before they are actually healing me more than hurting (with 2-4 sogs).
Using a darkness deck, you should have no problem denying the quanta to pull off an antimatter, its an expensive spell
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