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Elements the Game => General Discussion => Topic started by: surf on June 10, 2010, 11:41:05 am
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Whenever this absurd card is played, the person who plays it is as good as guaranteed to win the battle.
So why don't they save everyone a lot of trouble, and give the victory straight away to whoever plays it in battle? Like a one-hit KO card, which it effectively is anyway?
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... It only stops a creature from attacking. It is a little OP, but far from insta-win.
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... It only stops a creature from attacking. It is a little OP, but far from insta-win.
Actually, you'll find it makes an enemy monster heal you as well, so it's nearly impossible to lose once you play it.
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... It only stops a creature from attacking. It is a little OP, but far from insta-win.
Actually, you'll find it makes an enemy monster heal you as well, so it's nearly impossible to lose once you play it.
Err yes, that's what I meant. However, against some decks it's actually useless. Control decks, Fractal decks, Denial decks, Swarm decks, Scarab/Pharaoh decks... All are immune to AM. It's not really insta-win.
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Err yes, that's what I meant. However, against some decks it's actually useless. Control decks, Fractal decks, Denial decks, Swarm decks, Scarab/Pharaoh decks... All are immune to AM. It's not really insta-win.
All you have to do to stop most of those decks is use mutation cards as well. Pharoahs are no use if they get mutated, then have a anti-matter card played on them if their new damage output's too hight :)
So yes, anti-matter cards are still like one-hit KO cards.
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Name me a good pharoah deck which doesnt use rewind....
In most case, 1 quanta can counter this 6 quanta card....
Congeal it, lightning bolt it, rewind it, basilk blood it and it will be fine....
Besides there is always quinting!
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Name me a good pharoah deck which doesnt use rewind....
In most case, 1 quanta can counter this 6 quanta card....
Congeal it, lightning bolt it, rewind it, basilk blood it and it will be fine....
Besides there is always quinting!
I don't understand how your rewind strategy works... as soon as the mummy is turned into a pharoah, it can be mutated. Then you have to use another rewind just to put it back in your deck:)
I've worked out over time how to counter most enemy strategies, but there's nothing you can do about anti-matter :(
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Fight fire with fire. When he antimatters you, then you antimatter the creature back.
Ive been antimattered TONS of times and still won the game.... however, on the flip side ive also antimattered FGs tons of times and won the game too...
So heres a question, where are you facing so many antimatters that its becomming annoying? pvp? t50?fgs?
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I don't understand how your rewind strategy works... as soon as the mummy is turned into a pharoah, it can be mutated. Then you have to use another rewind just to put it back in your deck:)
A good pharoah deck would use phaorah... not mummy, and they would have eternity in most case
Even if it gets mutated, rewind it, at least it wont heal
It might not be the best thing to do, but definitely you will do better off then letting it heal your opponent.
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Every element has a counter to antimatter:
:aether - phase dragons and immortals cannot be antimattered, quint can protect any other creature, fractal your creatures and opponent won't be able to antimatter all of them.
:air - eagle eye or shockwave to kill the antimattered creature
:darkness - kill the creature with drain life or just deny your opponent of quanta with devourers so that he is unable to play antimatter. Darkness works great with many little creatures (vampires, devourers), so it's quite effective against antimatter. Just be careful, because antimattered vampires damage you instead of healing.
:death - use aflatoxin or a virus to kill the antimattered creature, you'll gain skeletons and increase your bonewall in the process, vultures can grow back to positive strength after being antimattered
:earth - burrowed creatures cannot be antimattered, you can burrow antimattered shriekers to halve their healing, you can also basilisk blood the antimattered creature to stop it from healing for 6 turns
:entropy - mutation, chaos seed... or use another antimatter to make your creature positive again
:fire - firebolt your creature, cremate it, or wait until you can heavily damage your opponent with firebolts and only then play your creatures to finish him in one turn
:gravity - eat the antimattered creature with otyugh or use gravity pull on it
:life - you can usually play 6 cheap creatures before your opponent can play a single antimatter and some source of damage
:light - play flying morning glories, impossible to antimatter
:time - rewind the antimattered creature, play it once again and it will have a positive attack again, anubis can also be used to counter antimatter
:water - kill the creature with ice bolt or freeze/congeal it
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Fight fire with fire. When he antimatters you, then you antimatter the creature back.
Ive been antimattered TONS of times and still won the game.... however, on the flip side ive also antimattered FGs tons of times and won the game too...
So heres a question, where are you facing so many antimatters that its becomming annoying? pvp? t50?fgs?
lol, what you've said proves my point about how anti-matter's are unstoppable, if the only way to counter them is by using anti-matters yourself. Maybe everyone should use anti-matter decks, that really gives a good variety of tactics doesn't it? :P
I'm not facing a great number of anti-matter decks. But i know as soon as i come across one, i'm certain to lose.
Xinef, i use a darkness deck and your strategy with that fails miserably. You clearly don't know what you're talking about :P
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Fight fire with fire. When he antimatters you, then you antimatter the creature back.
Ive been antimattered TONS of times and still won the game.... however, on the flip side ive also antimattered FGs tons of times and won the game too...
So heres a question, where are you facing so many antimatters that its becomming annoying? pvp? t50?fgs?
lol, what you've said proves my point about how anti-matter's are unstoppable, if the only way to counter them is by using anti-matters yourself. Maybe everyone should use anti-matter decks, that really gives a good variety of tactics doesn't it? :P
I'm not facing a great number of anti-matter decks. But i know as soon as i come across one, i'm certain to lose.
Xinef, i use a darkness deck and your strategy with that fails miserably. You clearly don't know what you're talking about :P
Actually, no it doesnt, because Ive also LOST a great deal of them as well. And Im using a nymph, so I get infinite antimatter with 1 card which is a big difference. Every single time I have to use it more than 1-2 times before they are actually healing me more than hurting (with 2-4 sogs).
Using a darkness deck, you should have no problem denying the quanta to pull off an antimatter, its an expensive spell
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Xinef, i use a darkness deck and your strategy with that fails miserably. You clearly don't know what you're talking about :P
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As much as I hate darkness, if a pest deck can deny FG effectively, it can deny the little antimatters you see around!
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Antimatter actually is quite cumbersome to use. it costs a lot and doesn't always help (antimattered pufferfish don't get hit by shields and are ignored by AI, they still poison)
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Xinef, i use a darkness deck and your strategy with that fails miserably. You clearly don't know what you're talking about :P
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As much as I hate darkness, if a pest deck can deny FG effectively, it can deny the little antimatters you see around!
Pest decks aren't sufficient to deny someone using about 10 amethyst/quantum towers. I've seen it for myself :)
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Pest decks aren't sufficient to deny someone using about 10 amethyst/quantum towers. I've seen it for myself :)
And yet it can deny FG with mark x3 and a double draw power? Interesting.....
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,6020.0.html
Most screenshot have insane tower count, and they still all die....
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Pest decks aren't sufficient to deny someone using about 10 amethyst/quantum towers. I've seen it for myself :)
And yet it can deny FG with mark x3 and a double draw power? Interesting.....
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,6020.0.html
Most screenshot have insane tower count, and they still all die....
lol, i use 6 pests, more than that deck you showed me :)
And it doesn't work :)
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Use fractal!
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Fractal your pests that's how you effectively deny quanta (trials flashback).
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What kind of deck are you using thats so destroyed by a single (or more) Antimatter card? One creature cannot ruin the game for you; you must be designing a deck horribly or playing horribly. Antimatter is far from OP letalone broken the way you say it is.
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Look at the war. So far, entropy has been doing very bad. I actually had to play against an entropy deck, and it used antimatter, and I won handily. My deck actually had multiple ways of dealing with antimatter:
A: immolate the antimattered creature. Gets rid of the negative attack, gives you more quanta.
B: if the antimattered creature is a golem, just keep growing it to overcome the antimatter.
C: Just add more attackers to cancel out the negative.
And this is just in one deck. In fact my opponent used antimatter on a golem that had around 15 attack, and I still won by just growing it to overcome the antimatter.
Sure, antimatter has its uses. But it can be countered in many, many ways, which Xinef already listed.
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What kind of deck are you using thats so destroyed by a single (or more) Antimatter card? One creature cannot ruin the game for you; you must be designing a deck horribly or playing horribly. Antimatter is far from OP letalone broken the way you say it is.
if it's like some fire mono deck that uses one monster (presumably ruby dragon), that could be the case.
in addition to the list of anti-anti matter (?) cards, u can also use discord to screw up the quanta and block AM from being played.
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this thread is pretty damn funny, i love when people post these kinds of threads on video game forums. (especially WoW forums)
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anti matter is its own counter. If you antimatter the creature that has negative attack (has already been AMed) then it goes back to positive attack.
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anti matter is its own counter. If you antimatter the creature that has negative attack (has already been AMed) then it goes back to positive attack.
lol, proving my comment earlier about the only effective counter is to use a anti-matter deck yourself :P
Funny the comments earlier about my deck being poor, when my win-loss ratio is about 5:1. My deck is capable of beating any type, except the anti-matter type.
Anti-matter decks are indestructable, no matter what you self-styled 'experts' say.
I like implosions suggestion to 'add more attackers.' Well believe it or not, the enemy will anti-matter them as well!
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anti matter is its own counter. If you antimatter the creature that has negative attack (has already been AMed) then it goes back to positive attack.
lol, proving my comment earlier about the only effective counter is to use a anti-matter deck yourself :P
Funny the comments earlier about my deck being poor, when my win-loss ratio is about 5:1. My deck is capable of beating any type, except the anti-matter type.
Anti-matter decks are indestructable, no matter what you self-styled 'experts' say.
Antimatter decks fail miserably to decks like mono Aether and mono Fire. Immaterial status for Aether and Immolation/Cremation for Fire make the Antimatter card useless.
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anti matter is its own counter. If you antimatter the creature that has negative attack (has already been AMed) then it goes back to positive attack.
lol, proving my comment earlier about the only effective counter is to use a anti-matter deck yourself :P
Funny the comments earlier about my deck being poor, when my win-loss ratio is about 5:1. My deck is capable of beating any type, except the anti-matter type.
Anti-matter decks are indestructable, no matter what you self-styled 'experts' say.
You, me, outside, NOW. You play an AM deck, I play a deck without AM's. I win.
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You, me, outside, NOW. You play an AM deck, I play a deck without AM's. I win.
Ha Ha, you know you'd get crushed. Not because i'm a better player, but because i have the unbeatable deck ;D
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You, me, outside, NOW. You play an AM deck, I play a deck without AM's. I win.
Ha Ha, you know you'd get crushed. Not because i'm a better player, but because i have the unbeatable deck ;D
So, what's stopping you from coming?
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Antimatter decks fail miserably to decks like mono Aether and mono Fire. Immaterial status for Aether and Immolation/Cremation for Fire make the Antimatter card useless.
lol, how could mono-fire work? Just anti-matter all those fire dragons and the fire is dead.
As for mono-Aether, they're easily dealt with by anti-matter. All you have to do is use a dissipation shield and the Aether can't touch you. ;)
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Antimatter decks fail miserably to decks like mono Aether and mono Fire. Immaterial status for Aether and Immolation/Cremation for Fire make the Antimatter card useless.
lol, how could mono-fire work? Just anti-matter all those fire dragons and the fire is dead.
As for mono-Aether, they're easily dealt with by anti-matter. All you have to do is use a dissipation shield and the Aether can't touch you. ;)
You immolate any AM creatures if you read what he put and Gl1tch (I think) posted how to counter it with any deck.
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So, what's stopping you from coming?
Lucky for you, i don't actually have a anti-matter deck ;)
Think about it. You can't play any monsters, because they'd be anti-mattered, or mutated then anti-mattered. You lose! :))
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Antimatter decks fail miserably to decks like mono Aether and mono Fire. Immaterial status for Aether and Immolation/Cremation for Fire make the Antimatter card useless.
lol, how could mono-fire work? Just anti-matter all those fire dragons and the fire is dead.
As for mono-Aether, they're easily dealt with by anti-matter. All you have to do is use a dissipation shield and the Aether can't touch you. ;)
You immolate any AM creatures if you read what he put and Gl1tch (I think) posted how to counter it with any deck.
lol, and then you've got no creatures left to fight with!!!
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You, me, outside, NOW. You play an AM deck, I play a deck without AM's. I win.
Ha Ha, you know you'd get crushed. Not because i'm a better player, but because i have the unbeatable deck ;D
So, what's stopping you from coming?
Lucky for you, i don't actually have a anti-matter deck ;)
Think about it. You can't play any monsters, because they'd be anti-mattered, or mutated then anti-mattered. You lose! :))
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Oh just go in chat and everyone can prove to you how antimatter decks aren't all that good, if there so good buy them not like it's expensive for a person with 5:1 win ratio also play someone with this 'unbeatable' deck of yours.
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You, me, outside, NOW. You play an AM deck, I play a deck without AM's. I win.
Ha Ha, you know you'd get crushed. Not because i'm a better player, but because i have the unbeatable deck ;D
So, what's stopping you from coming?
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Lucky for you, i don't actually have a anti-matter deck ;)
Think about it. You can't play any monsters, because they'd be anti-mattered, or mutated then anti-mattered. You lose! :))
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... No, it's not like you could AM all of my 17 monsters. Just because your deck is too weak to face a medium-powered card, like AM, doesn't mean the card is broken. Learn to think before posting rubbish and insulting people, or learn not to post anymore.
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... No, it's not like you could AM all of my 17 monsters. Just because your deck is too weak to face a medium-powered card, like AM, doesn't mean the card is broken. Learn to think before posting rubbish and insulting people, or learn not to post anymore.
No. But then again, you can't play all 17 at once! :)
You usually have to play them one at a time. Then they get anti-mattered, and in the meantime the anti-matter deck can use its own monsters to kill you! :)
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... No, it's not like you could AM all of my 17 monsters. Just because your deck is too weak to face a medium-powered card, like AM, doesn't mean the card is broken. Learn to think before posting rubbish and insulting people, or learn not to post anymore.
No. But then again, you can't play all 17 at once! :)
You usually have to play them one at a time. Then they get anti-mattered, and in the meantime the anti-matter deck can use its own monsters to kill you! :)
Are you going to go on chat or not,and the enemy can only use 6 antimatters for 8 quanta you should be able to stop that from happening.
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Are you going to go on chat or not,and the enemy can only use 6 antimatters for 8 quanta you should be able to stop that from happening.
Well, no-ones explained how so far! All the explanations have been theories that don't work in practise.
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Are you going to go on chat or not,and the enemy can only use 6 antimatters for 8 quanta you should be able to stop that from happening.
Well, no-ones explained how so far! All the explanations have been theories that don't work in practise.
You still didn't answer the question I put forward and you keep on trying to dodge it, and post your deck and we'll try and help you get around your antimatter problem.
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You completely ignored my comment. I faced an entropy deck in the war, and it had antimatter, and I beat it easily. Antimatter is expensive: expensive = slow, slow = by the time you play it I have enough monsters to avoid its effects. Plus, on immolation, it does work because after you immolate, that gives you the quanta to play more creatures. And seriously, just come into chat and even if you don't have an antimatter deck, I'll make one, someone else will make mono fire and we'll duke it out and you can spectate ;)
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You still didn't answer the question I put forward and you keep on trying to dodge it, and post your deck and we'll try and help you get around your antimatter problem.
What question was that; the one about chat? I don't understand what that does, i've only just joined this forum! Clearly, everyone here hates me anyway.
Thanks for your offer of help. But i'm not a idiot, i can work out strategies for myself. And i know nothing works. If it did, i wouldn't have started this thread.
I'm going to start my own anti-matter deck. I expect lots more wins :P
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You still didn't answer the question I put forward and you keep on trying to dodge it, and post your deck and we'll try and help you get around your antimatter problem.
What question was that; the one about chat? I don't understand what that does, i've only just joined this forum! Clearly, everyone here hates me anyway.
Thanks for your offer of help. But i'm not a idiot, i can work out strategies for myself. And i know nothing works. If it did, i wouldn't have started this thread.
I'm going to start my own anti-matter deck. I expect lots more wins :P
I don't know why that says tea is good cause I'm sure I posted that. Look see the chat button in the top right click it, then we can show you how AM can easily be countered with multiple decks it's impossible for one person to have tried everything.
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You completely ignored my comment. I faced an entropy deck in the war, and it had antimatter, and I beat it easily. Antimatter is expensive: expensive = slow, slow = by the time you play it I have enough monsters to avoid its effects. Plus, on immolation, it does work because after you immolate, that gives you the quanta to play more creatures. And seriously, just come into chat and even if you don't have an antimatter deck, I'll make one, someone else will make mono fire and we'll duke it out and you can spectate ;)
Sorry mate, i can't answer every post! :P
Perhaps you did beat it easily, but then again the opponent probably didn't use it properly.
Don't worry about setting up a match for me to watch. I'll find out myself, with my own anti-matter deck :P
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You still didn't answer the question I put forward and you keep on trying to dodge it, and post your deck and we'll try and help you get around your antimatter problem.
What question was that; the one about chat? I don't understand what that does, i've only just joined this forum! Clearly, everyone here hates me anyway.
Thanks for your offer of help. But i'm not a idiot, i can work out strategies for myself. And i know nothing works. If it did, i wouldn't have started this thread.
I'm going to start my own anti-matter deck. I expect lots more wins :P
Stop being so stubborn. If you like hate anti-matter so much, make your own "invincible/unbeatable" deck with it, and go beat everyone. If Anti-matter is broken or over-powered, Zanzarino will surely nerf it. It already costs 8 entropy quanta, and you can only have six of them in your deck. I actually don't even think Anti-matter is good because of its expensive cost.
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You completely ignored my comment. I faced an entropy deck in the war, and it had antimatter, and I beat it easily. Antimatter is expensive: expensive = slow, slow = by the time you play it I have enough monsters to avoid its effects. Plus, on immolation, it does work because after you immolate, that gives you the quanta to play more creatures. And seriously, just come into chat and even if you don't have an antimatter deck, I'll make one, someone else will make mono fire and we'll duke it out and you can spectate ;)
Sorry mate, i can't answer every post! :P
Perhaps you did beat it easily, but then again the opponent probably didn't use it properly.
Don't worry about setting up a match for me to watch. I'll find out myself, with my own anti-matter deck :P
Someone specifically picked to play for entropy by the master of entropy not knowing how to pay it...gimme a break seriously I and a lot of other people have offered solutions AND evidence yet you keep blowing it away without even giving it a chance you say you've tested it yet I doubt you have.
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Name me a good pharoah deck which doesnt use rewind....
In most case, 1 quanta can counter this 6 quanta card....
Congeal it, lightning bolt it, rewind it, basilk blood it and it will be fine....
Besides there is always quinting!
or ACTUALLY fight fire with fire and immolate it. I was playing a golem rush vs puppychow's antimatter dragon deck the other day and i just kept immolating my antimattered creatures so there was nothing he could do about it.
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Someone specifically picked to play for entropy by the master of entropy not knowing how to pay it...gimme a break seriously I and a lot of other people have offered solutions AND evidence yet you keep blowing it away without even giving it a chance you say you've tested it yet I doubt you have.
Well, no-one's perfect. Perhaps he didn't know how to use that particular strategy. :P
By 'tested it' i mean i've played against it, quite a few times. I know when i face that style i can't play any monsters, knowing they'll immediately be anti-mattered. And if i take the anti-mattered cards out, then i'm left with no firepower. That's all the 'testing' i need >:(
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Someone specifically picked to play for entropy by the master of entropy not knowing how to pay it...gimme a break seriously I and a lot of other people have offered solutions AND evidence yet you keep blowing it away without even giving it a chance you say you've tested it yet I doubt you have.
Well, no-one's perfect. Perhaps he didn't know how to use that particular strategy. :P
By 'tested it' i mean i've played against it, quite a few times. I know when i face that style i can't play any monsters, knowing they'll immediately be anti-mattered. And if i take the anti-mattered cards out, then i'm left with no firepower. That's all the 'testing' i need >:(
So why won't you come on chat? <-- Just answer that.
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Everyone, make sure that you quote correctly. Almost every single post in this thread contained quotes attributed to the wrong person. It is also obvious that the OP only cares about stirring up dispute rather than having an actual discussion.
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