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Cestus | Cestus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42297.msg526317#msg526317
« on: July 27, 2012, 06:21:31 pm »
NAME:
Cestus
ELEMENT:
Light
COST:
3 :light
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
3|4 when flying
TEXT:
Weapon: deal 3 damage at the end of every turn. Gains an extra attack if no shield is equipped.
NAME:
Cestus
ELEMENT:
Light
COST:
3 :light
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
4|4 when flying
TEXT:
Weapon: deal 4 damage at the end of every turn. Gains an extra attack if no shield is equipped.

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NOTES:
Gives mono light a good weapon to endow.
Much more efficient than morning glory.
Allows for a much more offensive build for light.
Synergizes with blessing and buffs.
Dang. I just noticed how similar this was to peggy. And all you people said it should be light!
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Re: Cestus | Cestus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42297.msg526318#msg526318
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2012, 06:24:00 pm »
I want to hate this, but I can't.

I question balance considering abuse with Crusader.

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Re: Cestus | Cestus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42297.msg526319#msg526319
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2012, 06:27:05 pm »
Compare to vampire dagger. Costs 1|2 :darkness, does 4|6 damage, heals you for damage done. Cestus costs 3 :light, does 3|4 damage, and only attacks again if you sacrifice your shield.

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Re: Cestus | Cestus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42297.msg526327#msg526327
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2012, 06:39:26 pm »
Oh, I thought it referred to the opponent's shield.

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Re: Cestus | Cestus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42297.msg526329#msg526329
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2012, 06:40:05 pm »
I really like the art for this one. I like the idea of light having a use for crusaders in a mono.
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Re: Cestus | Cestus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42297.msg526338#msg526338
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2012, 06:53:19 pm »
Ok, maybe this is a dumb question(s) but:
Will endowed crusaders get an extra attack as well if you have no shield?
What about flying weapons?
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Re: Cestus | Cestus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42297.msg526341#msg526341
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2012, 06:55:08 pm »
Ok, maybe this is a dumb question(s) but:
Will endowed crusaders get an extra attack as well if you have no shield?
What about flying weapons?
Yes. This has an active skill called Cestus that allows an extra attack if the owner of the card has no shield.

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Re: Cestus | Cestus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42297.msg526342#msg526342
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2012, 07:00:19 pm »
Ah, I see... how will this interact with adrenaline?
Technically adrenaline gives extra "turns" as has been pointed out to me several times, so would this end up attacking 8 times (4 turns at 2 attacks each) or 5 times (4 from adrenaline + 1 from active ability).

Details aside, I really like this card. I've always found it rather odd that light has a creature that can gain weapon bonuses and no weapon to give them. This is a pretty sweet choice.
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Re: Cestus | Cestus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42297.msg526343#msg526343
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2012, 07:02:22 pm »
Ah, I see... how will this interact with adrenaline?
Technically adrenaline gives extra "turns" as has been pointed out to me several times, so would this end up attacking 8 times (4 turns at 2 attacks each) or 5 times (4 from adrenaline + 1 from active ability).
Gains an extra attack. 3 atk cestus with adren does 5 attacks, each with 3 damage. 4 atk cestus hits 4 times, 4+3+2+4. The "extra hit" is always the base attack of it.

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Re: Cestus | Cestus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42297.msg526344#msg526344
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2012, 07:03:04 pm »
The History of a CrusaderMaster, Circa v1.31
We've tried our best to develop more weapon protocols for our men, however the results have been quite varied.

I first suggested these things called guns, but apparently people were really afraid that they would blow up in the Crusader's faces.

Then I tried suggesting Magic Wands, but apparently no one took our Saders seriously until we started bringing out our Vampire Daggers again.

There was also that one guy who suggested Crusaders throw shurikens. The Crucible's still debating if we want to be ninjas or not.

...and then a Vampsader had this brilliant idea to make actual Vampires his weapons. Somehow, this one got through to the Armory. I really don't understand the committee's logic.

So.... yeah, now we're trying boxing. I hope Jenkins didn't bring his Dirt Shield again today.


Anyway, more Monocrusader fuel. I like it. :)
Compare to vampire dagger. Costs 1|2 :darkness, does 4|6 damage, heals you for damage done. Cestus costs 3 :light, does 3|4 damage, and only attacks again if you sacrifice your shield.
Unupped:
Vamp Dagger is 1 :darkness for 8 HP gap each turn.
Cestus is 3 :light for 6 HP gap each turn, unless AW + Adrenaline is used AND you have no shield.
Short Sword is 1 :rainbow for 3 HP gap each turn.

1 :darkness for 8 HP
1 :light for 2 HP
1 :rainbow for 3 HP

Upped:
Vamp Dagger is 2 :darkness for 12 HP gap each turn.
Cestus is 3 :light for 8 HP gap each turn, unless AW + Adrenaline is used AND you have no shield.
Long Sword is 1 :rainbow for 6 HP gap each turn.

1 :darkness for 6 HP
3 :light for 2.7 HP
1 :rainbow for 6 HP

Hmm... something tells me Cestus is either balanced only in certain specific situation, or Crusaders must really have good boxing skills to compensate for the terrible HP/quanta advantage ratio when compared to Vampire Dagger.


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Re: Cestus | Cestus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42297.msg526347#msg526347
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2012, 07:05:32 pm »
You're supposed to fly the cestus and bless it then endow it, or bless your endowed crusaders so they do more damage. Vampire dagger requires a duo, and I felt that attacking twice was worth slightly more than healing for damage done.

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Re: Cestus | Cestus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=42297.msg526349#msg526349
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2012, 07:08:40 pm »
A simple no from me.  It has too much mono synergy to fit in my opinion.
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