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Let's remake you [Tutorial] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41722.msg517646#msg517646
« on: July 03, 2012, 02:41:47 pm »
Let's Remake You !

As you can't open topic on the tutorial section,opened here. Please comment so this topic will moved to Tutorial section,I hope it helps to make a fast start.
A tutorial for newbies,or the one who wants to start again with more power.


PART 1 : The Fast Start For The Maraton !

Create an account,read this.
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Pick :fire Fire. Your first deck will be deadly for AI3 and Halfbloods,sometimes Silver League. I will give you a guide to make it,just sell some,do quests, get rewards,buy cards and build this immolation rush.
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When you opened an account and choosed Fire :fire ,don't do quests yet. Go to your deck section,take out and sell these : 3 Water Pillar,1 Blue Crawler,1 Freeze,1 Purify,2 Rain Of Fire,2 Quantum Pillar. Go to Bazaar,when you sell them,buy these : 3 Lava Golem,1 Immolation. Go your deck,put them in deck. Replace them with,Fire Shield,Quantum Pillar,Dagger,1 Fire Bolt . Sell them. Buy 4 photons,Light :light section. Replace them with,Fire Spirits and Fire Bolts. Now,some Quest Rewards are waiting. Go to your deck,change your mark to Earth, :earth ,due to your golems' ability. Do quest 1,get reward of first 3. Buy 2 Lava Golem,replace them with 2 Ash Eaters. Do the next 2 quests. Buy 1 Lava Golem,2 Immolation,1 Photon,replace them with,2 Pillars 2 ash eaters. Sell them. Buy one photon,replace a pillar. Now,continue grinding to complete the deck.
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4t5 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f2 5f6 5f6 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fe 5fe 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 8pm

Mark Of :earth : Pumping up golems.
Hammer : Spot filling,friendly to earth mark. :P
Burning Pillar : More fire quanta. :fire :fire :fire ... ^_^
Crimson Dragon : Spot filling and nice damage.
Deflagration : Nice permanent control to nasty shields.
Immolation : For making a fast start,getting fire quanta early.
Lava Golem : In a long way,very fast and strong creature.
Seraph : Nice damage and sometimes,strong against late creature control.
Photon : Sacrifice to immolates.

Now,until Part 2 : Getting Cash comes here,grind some AI3 . Have fun. Will be updated.
Until Part 2 comes here,you must complete all quests. As a rare weapon,this topic (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,3522.0.html) will help you. Thanks to Plastiqe!
PART 2 : Getting Cash !

Will be wroten after a while.



EDIT : I quit.
« Last Edit: July 05, 2012, 11:46:27 am by ~Zytoc~ »

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Re: Let's remake you [Tutorial] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41722.msg517709#msg517709
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2012, 07:32:18 pm »
Care to explain in a few sentences about this tutorial? What does it add to the game that other tutorials doesn't have already?

Seriously, you are copying one WELL-KNOWN deck without explaining how to build it. Moreover, the build here is just wrong for AI3 grinding.
The first deck is the single most important part of every beginner tutorial. This will define the speed by which a new player advances. This will be a new player's first succesful deck. The first deck is always the most tricky to build well.
A good tutorial is nothing without a through expanation of the first deck, and notes about how to build and play it and why so.
Then abruptly you end your post without explaining anything at all. I noticed "part 2 coming soon", but come on, at least give some real advice in your tutorial post before actually posting it.

Okay, I see the hype, and writing a tutorial gives the impression that you know a great deal about the game, but please, leave the tutorial-writing for players who are not just more experienced, but also know more about writing guides.

/rant, now some constructive criticism:
You seriously have to add something new to your tutorial, something that other tutorials don't have.
With 1.31 out, and the noteworthy tutorials being a bit older, you should do for example, TTWs for AI3 with a few nwebie-friendly decks. That would be a real help. I know that playing 500+ games vs AI3 is not as exciting as wrinting a "tutorial", but believe me it has more vaule in it and it will be recognized as a true effort.
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Re: Let's remake you [Tutorial] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41722.msg517711#msg517711
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2012, 07:40:32 pm »
I don't feel it's best to just provide one deck option. Different players have different styles, whether they know it or not.  By shoving a CremaRush in their faces without too much of an explanation or alternatives, you are denying a possibility of trying out different decks.  Also, the use of Immolation and the excess quanta does tempt newer players to overextend and shove other off element cards in there.

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Re: Let's remake you [Tutorial] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41722.msg517729#msg517729
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2012, 10:35:18 pm »
I agree with what Acsabi and Drake have previously stated.  Furthermore, mono darkness, mono life, and mono entropy are also FANTASTIC first deck choices for newbies, as the aforementioned decks excel in arena grinding, ai3 grinding, and pvp - respectively - as well.  Just giving a crema-rush doesn't teach newbies how to advance imo.  No offense intended.  I'd just like to see you expand more.  OR if you just want to give the crema-rush option, give newbies pvp and ai3 builds or go REALLY in depth on strategy and/or deckbuilding/altering.
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Re: Let's remake you [Tutorial] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41722.msg517732#msg517732
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2012, 10:57:53 pm »
^^^ All of the above.

And really, that isn't the best starter deck one could have. For example, this deck:
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4t4 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f2 5f2 5f2 5f2 5f2 5f2 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f6 5f6 5f6 8po

has a slightly better winrate (thanks Xeno) and only costs 212 :electrum to build from the original :fire deck. (Taking into account all the cards sold.)

Your deck has a slightly worse winrate against AI3 than the above deck, and costs 373 :electrum from the original :fire deck, also taking into account the cards sold.

You say 161 :electrum isn't that big of a deal? It is to a newbie.
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Re: Let's remake you [Tutorial] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41722.msg517763#msg517763
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2012, 12:59:21 am »
As for starter decks, deckbuilding 101 has good ones. There can be made different though.
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Re: Let's remake you [Tutorial] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41722.msg517765#msg517765
« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2012, 01:03:20 am »
This tutorial is:
not unique
not creative
not informative
not insanely successful
not easy on the eyes

Not to mention the typos and the fact there is no more rating system.
« Last Edit: July 04, 2012, 01:05:56 am by furballdn »

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Re: Let's remake you [Tutorial] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41722.msg517800#msg517800
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2012, 07:13:01 am »
Care to explain in a few sentences about this tutorial? What does it add to the game that other tutorials doesn't have already?

Seriously, you are copying one WELL-KNOWN deck without explaining how to build it. Moreover, the build here is just wrong for AI3 grinding.
The first deck is the single most important part of every beginner tutorial. This will define the speed by which a new player advances. This will be a new player's first succesful deck. The first deck is always the most tricky to build well.
A good tutorial is nothing without a through expanation of the first deck, and notes about how to build and play it and why so.
Then abruptly you end your post without explaining anything at all. I noticed "part 2 coming soon", but come on, at least give some real advice in your tutorial post before actually posting it.

Okay, I see the hype, and writing a tutorial gives the impression that you know a great deal about the game, but please, leave the tutorial-writing for players who are not just more experienced, but also know more about writing guides.

/rant, now some constructive criticism:
You seriously have to add something new to your tutorial, something that other tutorials don't have.
With 1.31 out, and the noteworthy tutorials being a bit older, you should do for example, TTWs for AI3 with a few nwebie-friendly decks. That would be a real help. I know that playing 500+ games vs AI3 is not as exciting as wrinting a "tutorial", but believe me it has more vaule in it and it will be recognized as a true effort.

Thanks for your comment. I thought about quitting it. Maybe I'll . But,as you said,there is no good up to date tutorial except Xeno,and Xeno's one is not the one I want. A tutorial must give you 3 ways,you pick one and go on. Actually,I didn't say -2 more starter decks will be posted here,and I didn't say building guide will be added either- So,I can fix this mistakes but I am thinking about quitting. But no ones trying anymore. I want a tutorial that makes incredibly start and really good for upgrading accounts. But there is NO. And no ones trying,I am not the BEST player to make it,because I haven't that MUCH experience but like I always say,there is no one trying. Because they don't think who wants to start again this game,and newbies. Because they are beasts. They played 3 years,gained 300k :electrum and 900k score,as they are good,newbies are not a target for them. That's why I do this. I'll try to fix mistakes too,but don't expect too much. If you except THAT much from ME,go find another SG if you really want a good tutorial. I said,no ones trying.

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Re: Let's remake you [Tutorial] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41722.msg517801#msg517801
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2012, 07:15:34 am »
One good way to make this tutorial look five times better - remove the special formatting. Use it only in special places, such as bold yellow or bold pink (my favorites) to emphasis text. It's a good tool in small or even moderate quantities but splattered everywhere it becomes annoying.

EDIT: And beyond that, no one's trying because it likely is not needed. Xeno's tutorial is quite complete and still up-to-date. If your tutorial implements some things much different than his, however, I'd be behind this completely.
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Re: Let's remake you [Tutorial] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41722.msg517802#msg517802
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2012, 07:18:37 am »
One good way to make this tutorial look five times better - remove the special formatting. Use it only in special places, such as bold yellow or bold pink (my favorites) to emphasis text. It's a good tool in small or even moderate quantities but splattered everywhere it becomes annoying.

Actually, Call me crazy, but I enjoy the different colors and such, I can live without the Italics, but the colors make it not horribly boring.  They add a little splash to it.
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Re: Let's remake you [Tutorial] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41722.msg517808#msg517808
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2012, 07:38:24 am »
One good way to make this tutorial look five times better - remove the special formatting. Use it only in special places, such as bold yellow or bold pink (my favorites) to emphasis text. It's a good tool in small or even moderate quantities but splattered everywhere it becomes annoying.

EDIT: And beyond that, no one's trying because it likely is not needed. Xeno's tutorial is quite complete and still up-to-date. If your tutorial implements some things much different than his, however, I'd be behind this completely.

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Re: Let's remake you [Tutorial] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41722.msg517849#msg517849
« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2012, 12:31:27 pm »
All i want to say have been said by furball. But the most jarring is, the formatting. And the fact that you italicize ALL your posts.
Seriously, if it's hard to read, no one will read it.
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