Post by: ~Zytoc~ on July 03, 2012, 02:41:47 pm
As you can't open topic on the tutorial section,opened here. Please comment so this topic will moved to Tutorial section,I hope it helps to make a fast start.
A tutorial for newbies,or the one who wants to start again with more power.
PART 1 : The Fast Start For The Maraton !
Create an account,read this.
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Pick :fire Fire. Your first deck will be deadly for AI3 and Halfbloods,sometimes Silver League. I will give you a guide to make it,just sell some,do quests, get rewards,buy cards and build this immolation rush.
When you opened an account and choosed Fire :fire ,don't do quests yet. Go to your deck section,take out and sell these : 3 Water Pillar,1 Blue Crawler,1 Freeze,1 Purify,2 Rain Of Fire,2 Quantum Pillar. Go to Bazaar,when you sell them,buy these : 3 Lava Golem,1 Immolation. Go your deck,put them in deck. Replace them with,Fire Shield,Quantum Pillar,Dagger,1 Fire Bolt . Sell them. Buy 4 photons,Light :light section. Replace them with,Fire Spirits and Fire Bolts. Now,some Quest Rewards are waiting. Go to your deck,change your mark to Earth, :earth ,due to your golems' ability. Do quest 1,get reward of first 3. Buy 2 Lava Golem,replace them with 2 Ash Eaters. Do the next 2 quests. Buy 1 Lava Golem,2 Immolation,1 Photon,replace them with,2 Pillars 2 ash eaters. Sell them. Buy one photon,replace a pillar. Now,continue grinding to complete the deck.
Mark Of :earth : Pumping up golems.
Hammer : Spot filling,friendly to earth mark. :P
Burning Pillar : More fire quanta. :fire :fire :fire ... ^_^
Crimson Dragon : Spot filling and nice damage.
Deflagration : Nice permanent control to nasty shields.
Immolation : For making a fast start,getting fire quanta early.
Lava Golem : In a long way,very fast and strong creature.
Seraph : Nice damage and sometimes,strong against late creature control.
Photon : Sacrifice to immolates.
Now,until Part 2 : Getting Cash comes here,grind some AI3 . Have fun. Will be updated.
Until Part 2 comes here,you must complete all quests. As a rare weapon,this topic (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,3522.0.html) will help you. Thanks to Plastiqe!
PART 2 : Getting Cash !
Will be wroten after a while.
EDIT : I quit.
Post by: Acsabi44 on July 03, 2012, 07:32:18 pm
Seriously, you are copying one WELL-KNOWN deck without explaining how to build it. Moreover, the build here is just wrong for AI3 grinding.
The first deck is the single most important part of every beginner tutorial. This will define the speed by which a new player advances. This will be a new player's first succesful deck. The first deck is always the most tricky to build well.
A good tutorial is nothing without a through expanation of the first deck, and notes about how to build and play it and why so.
Then abruptly you end your post without explaining anything at all. I noticed "part 2 coming soon", but come on, at least give some real advice in your tutorial post before actually posting it.
Okay, I see the hype, and writing a tutorial gives the impression that you know a great deal about the game, but please, leave the tutorial-writing for players who are not just more experienced, but also know more about writing guides.
/rant, now some constructive criticism:
You seriously have to add something new to your tutorial, something that other tutorials don't have.
With 1.31 out, and the noteworthy tutorials being a bit older, you should do for example, TTWs for AI3 with a few nwebie-friendly decks. That would be a real help. I know that playing 500+ games vs AI3 is not as exciting as wrinting a "tutorial", but believe me it has more vaule in it and it will be recognized as a true effort.
Post by: Drake_XIV on July 03, 2012, 07:40:32 pm
Post by: regen2k9 on July 03, 2012, 10:35:18 pm
Post by: Annele on July 03, 2012, 10:57:53 pm
And really, that isn't the best starter deck one could have. For example, this deck:
has a slightly better winrate (thanks Xeno) and only costs 212 :electrum to build from the original :fire deck. (Taking into account all the cards sold.)
Your deck has a slightly worse winrate against AI3 than the above deck, and costs 373 :electrum from the original :fire deck, also taking into account the cards sold.
You say 161 :electrum isn't that big of a deal? It is to a newbie.
Post by: Chapuz on July 04, 2012, 12:59:21 am
Post by: furballdn on July 04, 2012, 01:03:20 am
not unique
not creative
not informative
not insanely successful
not easy on the eyes
Not to mention the typos and the fact there is no more rating system.
Post by: ~Zytoc~ on July 04, 2012, 07:13:01 am
Care to explain in a few sentences about this tutorial? What does it add to the game that other tutorials doesn't have already?
Seriously, you are copying one WELL-KNOWN deck without explaining how to build it. Moreover, the build here is just wrong for AI3 grinding.
The first deck is the single most important part of every beginner tutorial. This will define the speed by which a new player advances. This will be a new player's first succesful deck. The first deck is always the most tricky to build well.
A good tutorial is nothing without a through expanation of the first deck, and notes about how to build and play it and why so.
Then abruptly you end your post without explaining anything at all. I noticed "part 2 coming soon", but come on, at least give some real advice in your tutorial post before actually posting it.
Okay, I see the hype, and writing a tutorial gives the impression that you know a great deal about the game, but please, leave the tutorial-writing for players who are not just more experienced, but also know more about writing guides.
/rant, now some constructive criticism:
You seriously have to add something new to your tutorial, something that other tutorials don't have.
With 1.31 out, and the noteworthy tutorials being a bit older, you should do for example, TTWs for AI3 with a few nwebie-friendly decks. That would be a real help. I know that playing 500+ games vs AI3 is not as exciting as wrinting a "tutorial", but believe me it has more vaule in it and it will be recognized as a true effort.
Thanks for your comment. I thought about quitting it. Maybe I'll . But,as you said,there is no good up to date tutorial except Xeno,and Xeno's one is not the one I want. A tutorial must give you 3 ways,you pick one and go on. Actually,I didn't say -2 more starter decks will be posted here,and I didn't say building guide will be added either- So,I can fix this mistakes but I am thinking about quitting. But no ones trying anymore. I want a tutorial that makes incredibly start and really good for upgrading accounts. But there is NO. And no ones trying,I am not the BEST player to make it,because I haven't that MUCH experience but like I always say,there is no one trying. Because they don't think who wants to start again this game,and newbies. Because they are beasts. They played 3 years,gained 300k :electrum and 900k score,as they are good,newbies are not a target for them. That's why I do this. I'll try to fix mistakes too,but don't expect too much. If you except THAT much from ME,go find another SG if you really want a good tutorial. I said,no ones trying.
Post by: ddevans96 on July 04, 2012, 07:15:34 am
EDIT: And beyond that, no one's trying because it likely is not needed. Xeno's tutorial is quite complete and still up-to-date. If your tutorial implements some things much different than his, however, I'd be behind this completely.
Post by: Laxadarap on July 04, 2012, 07:18:37 am
One good way to make this tutorial look five times better - remove the special formatting. Use it only in special places, such as bold yellow or bold pink (my favorites) to emphasis text. It's a good tool in small or even moderate quantities but splattered everywhere it becomes annoying.
Actually, Call me crazy, but I enjoy the different colors and such, I can live without the Italics, but the colors make it not horribly boring. They add a little splash to it.
Post by: ~Zytoc~ on July 04, 2012, 07:38:24 am
One good way to make this tutorial look five times better - remove the special formatting. Use it only in special places, such as bold yellow or bold pink (my favorites) to emphasis text. It's a good tool in small or even moderate quantities but splattered everywhere it becomes annoying.
EDIT: And beyond that, no one's trying because it likely is not needed. Xeno's tutorial is quite complete and still up-to-date. If your tutorial implements some things much different than his, however, I'd be behind this completely.
Thanks for your support. ::)
@Laxadarap , yeah it makes things atractive.
Post by: Absol on July 04, 2012, 12:31:27 pm
Seriously, if it's hard to read, no one will read it.
Post by: Mathematistic on July 04, 2012, 01:28:51 pm
Post by: ~Zytoc~ on July 04, 2012, 01:31:49 pm
I agree with what Acsabi and Drake have previously stated. Furthermore, mono darkness, mono life, and mono entropy are also FANTASTIC first deck choices for newbies, as the aforementioned decks excel in arena grinding, ai3 grinding, and pvp - respectively - as well. Just giving a crema-rush doesn't teach newbies how to advance imo. No offense intended. I'd just like to see you expand more. OR if you just want to give the crema-rush option, give newbies pvp and ai3 builds or go REALLY in depth on strategy and/or deckbuilding/altering.
The starter Mono Entropy ? Can you send it here. I don't know that.
Post by: Acsabi44 on July 04, 2012, 02:51:54 pm
Deckbuilding 101.I agree with what Acsabi and Drake have previously stated. Furthermore, mono darkness, mono life, and mono entropy are also FANTASTIC first deck choices for newbies, as the aforementioned decks excel in arena grinding, ai3 grinding, and pvp - respectively - as well. Just giving a crema-rush doesn't teach newbies how to advance imo. No offense intended. I'd just like to see you expand more. OR if you just want to give the crema-rush option, give newbies pvp and ai3 builds or go REALLY in depth on strategy and/or deckbuilding/altering.
The starter Mono Entropy ? Can you send it here. I don't know that.
Post by: ~Zytoc~ on July 04, 2012, 03:59:09 pm
It was Deckbuilding 101,right. I thought he was sayin' different deck.Deckbuilding 101.I agree with what Acsabi and Drake have previously stated. Furthermore, mono darkness, mono life, and mono entropy are also FANTASTIC first deck choices for newbies, as the aforementioned decks excel in arena grinding, ai3 grinding, and pvp - respectively - as well. Just giving a crema-rush doesn't teach newbies how to advance imo. No offense intended. I'd just like to see you expand more. OR if you just want to give the crema-rush option, give newbies pvp and ai3 builds or go REALLY in depth on strategy and/or deckbuilding/altering.
The starter Mono Entropy ? Can you send it here. I don't know that.
Post by: RavingRabbid on July 04, 2012, 04:22:58 pm
Post by: ~Zytoc~ on July 04, 2012, 06:10:59 pm
1st error: Starting with Fire.
Lol,first time,before posting I gave decks for 4 elements. The first 4 one. But some of these 4,2 of them were not good. So,I fixed to this. And everyone said me that.
Well,you are :water ,of course but I think that Fire is faster than it. So,I did that.
Post by: RavingRabbid on July 04, 2012, 06:13:24 pm
Darkness starter nets more money and lets a grabbow, which is pretty better than an Immorush, pretty early.1st error: Starting with Fire.
Lol,first time,before posting I gave decks for 4 elements. The first 4 one. But some of these 4,2 of them were not good. So,I fixed to this. And everyone said me that.
Well,you are :water ,of course but I think that Fire is faster than it. So,I did that.
Starting with fire is wrong.
Post by: furballdn on July 04, 2012, 10:05:29 pm
Post by: ~Zytoc~ on July 05, 2012, 08:13:01 am
We've already a few very successful tutorials. Yours isn't better or more unique than any of them.One of them works, Xeno's and Xeno's one isn't the one I want. So,it's here. Not unique? I am pretty sure it's unique.
I will add choices. Grabow is one of them.Darkness starter nets more money and lets a grabbow, which is pretty better than an Immorush, pretty early.1st error: Starting with Fire.
Lol,first time,before posting I gave decks for 4 elements. The first 4 one. But some of these 4,2 of them were not good. So,I fixed to this. And everyone said me that.
Well,you are :water ,of course but I think that Fire is faster than it. So,I did that.
Starting with fire is wrong.
Post by: SnoWeb on July 05, 2012, 09:25:30 am
On a side note, a tutorial deck is supposed to teach the new player to play element. I wouldn't advise as only deck one which use such an atypical quanta base as this one.
Post by: Holokausti on July 05, 2012, 10:01:22 am
Post by: ~Zytoc~ on July 05, 2012, 11:45:51 am
Post by: nilsieboy on July 05, 2012, 12:06:38 pm
Post by: Calindu on July 05, 2012, 12:26:57 pm
I prefer cal's starter guide.
This one you mean? http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,28807.0.html
Post by: Charming on July 09, 2012, 05:41:44 pm
Post by: Acsabi44 on July 09, 2012, 07:10:12 pm
Cal's guide is 5 times better than this. Tutorial means tutorial,not how to build an immo-rush. Oh,please make this fly away ! ::) :-*don't flame if you don't have constructive things to say as well.
Post by: Charming on July 09, 2012, 08:56:56 pm
Flaming ? Zytoc already quitted it. So,flaming is pointless. Why would I ? actually. He saw,and didn't respond.Cal's guide is 5 times better than this. Tutorial means tutorial,not how to build an immo-rush. Oh,please make this fly away ! ::) :-*don't flame if you don't have constructive things to say as well.
Post by: Drake_XIV on July 09, 2012, 09:11:20 pm