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[14:57] <@gillero> Hey dic
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[14:57] <@dic> Hey gillero
[15:17] <@gillero> So, in round 3. Would you prefer stall or rush?
[15:17] <@dic> Rush
[15:17] <@gillero> I'd say rush is a better option for us since we practically cant build stalls
[15:18] <@dic> simply because we have more rushes than stall left in our vault
[15:18] <@dic> we only have a weak mono light, and our wings left to stall with
[15:19] <@gillero> I'm glad we're not facing fire and entropy this round
[15:19] <@dic> I'm sad we are not facing fire
[15:19] <@dic> they got beaten up really well last round
[15:19] <@gillero> Sure they have lost a lot
[15:19] <@dic> which should help in beating them
[15:19] <@gillero> But they are still dangerous
[15:20] <@dic> I guess entropy is going to win this war again
[15:20] <@gillero> By the way, why did we get -6 modifier?
[15:23] <@gillero> afk~
[15:41] <@gillero> back~
[15:44] <@dic> We got that -6 modifier because the penalty for subtituting is no salvage when you win
[15:44] <@dic> and I subbed for Dag and won
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[16:31] <RR_> Hey.
[16:48] <@dic> Hey RR
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[17:21] <Acsabi44> hey folks
[17:21] <Acsabi44> stall or rush?
[17:24] <RR_> Hey, Acs.
[17:26] <RR_> Didn't think about it yet. Too busy with homeworls.
[17:26] <Acsabi44> pros of rush: IMO our vault is more situated to rushing
[17:27] <Acsabi44> pros of stall: If we have no idea at all, we can always throw 60 cards together and hope the opponent play a 59 card deckouter
:D
[17:27] <Acsabi44> (joking)
[17:31] <Acsabi44> btw even if we decide rush, we don't need to build only rushes... we can build a few stalls as well, only we won't get the bonus
[17:36] <@dic> Yeah, I was thinking of going tush too, just because we only have 1 potential stall and one semi-potential stall left
[17:36] <@dic> sad thing is
[17:36] <@dic> we are down to 7 matches
[17:36] <@dic> which will make winning by deckout even harder
[17:37] <@dic> But, I think we should first try to estimate what our opponents will choose, and what decks they will bring
[17:37] <@dic> and then build counters to that
[17:37] <@dic> and decide our event card based on the number of counters we build
[17:39] <@dic> Hmm, just got a funny idea
[17:39] <@dic> we could just take 31 card decks for this round
[17:39] <@dic> you never know how draws happen
[17:40] <@dic> maybe you can deck your opponent
[17:40] <Acsabi44> take 31 cards and pick stall?
[17:40] <@dic> and you only have to deck your opponent once to claim the bonus (provided you took that even card) or win within 13 turns only once to claim that bonus (if you choose to rush)
[17:40] <@dic> Yes, everyone seems so affraid of our CC, why not use it
[17:41] <@dic> Hmm, just realized, we can also create a sir lance a lot, which can work as both stall and stall breaker (salvage 6 bolts out of perv's deck)
[17:41] <@dic> and we can salvage BB's from gravities deck, allowing for another potential stall
[17:42] <@dic> I expect Light to take a lot of stall, which is sad, or we could have powned them by salvaging a few gravity shields and a few bb's/plate armors
[17:42] <RR_> We can't salvage from Gravy.
[17:42] <@dic> Oh, damn
[17:42] <@dic> you are right
[17:42] <@dic> shit
[17:43] <RR_> BUT WE CAN SALVAGE ZE FUCKING FRACTALS FROM LIFE!
[17:43] <@dic> Hmm, I like that idea
[17:43] <RR_> Or ze fuckin dimshields.
[17:43] <@dic> Hmm, salvaging dim shields would help towards stalling
[17:43] <@dic> Damn, anyone know when Jappert will be back?
[17:44] <@dic> I need him to make a strategy post (or at least a placeholder) so I can continue posting the other posts in the main thread
[17:45] <@dic> My notes on event cards, decks and possible salvages are starting to become confusing
[17:45] <RR_> Jappert has already made a post.
[17:46] <@dic> Lulz, just saw that too
[17:46] <@dic> Rav, you don't have mod powers do you?
[17:46] <@dic> Now I only need to get rid of Dag's stupid post
[17:47] <RR_> Nope
[17:57] <Acsabi44> damn fire's losing streak messed up my war betting
[17:57] <Acsabi44> it would be funny if they'd get eliminated first
[17:57] <Acsabi44> I wonder if it is due to the nerf
[17:57] <Acsabi44> or naps
[17:58] <Acsabi44> or bad luck
[18:00] <RR_> It's just fire that sucks and this is divine justice.
[18:03] <Acsabi44> amen
[18:03] <RR_> dic. You're almost at 1000 posts.
[18:03] <@dic> Yeah, I noticed that too
[18:04] <@dic> 3 to go
[18:04] <@dic> I hate our luck last round
[18:04] <@dic> 3 duels that could have gone either way
[18:04] <@dic> and we lost them all
[18:04] <Acsabi44> even better, 1000 meaningful posts. You're not the kinda guy who just spams into the 'introduce yoourself' to get plus 300
[18:05] <RR_> Exactly :\
[18:05] <RR_> I have over 2550 posts. I post too muc.
[18:05] <Acsabi44> I have around 900 but I'm not the guy who spams either
[18:07] <Acsabi44> RR, you were a council member and such. I imagine there is a lot of discussion going on there
[18:07] <Acsabi44> (or weren't you)
[18:09] <RR_> I was.
[18:09] <RR_> But it was kind of dead.
[18:09] <RR_> There was a poll for something where 7 councilmen voted. There I got angry and the council started to get active once more. Then it slowly died.
[18:09] <Acsabi44> ORLY? I always wanted to know what's going on behind the scenes
[18:09] <Acsabi44> apparently not much.
[18:11] <RR_> Exactly.
[18:12] <Acsabi44> time to do some housework. GTg, see ya
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[18:21] <RR_> Hi, Japp.
[18:21] <Jappert> back in action
[18:22] <Jappert> hey
[18:23] <Jappert> ye I saw Tiko's match
[18:23] <Jappert> and gravy/fire?
[18:23] <Jappert> life got destroyed?
[18:23] <RR_> Gravy 2-6. Fire 1-7.
[18:24] <RR_> Life 3-5.
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[18:26] <Japp> hmm
[18:28] <Japp> so to summarize
[18:29] <Japp> we need to step it up
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[18:29] <RR_> We need to build 7 decks, and that worries me.
[18:30] <@dic> Hey Jappert
[18:30] <RR_> I think we have a match to suicide.
[18:30] <@dic> Hmm, you might be right about that Rav
[18:30] <@dic> Hmm, instead of a real suicide we could try to create the most epic win ever: take a 42 pillar deck
[18:31] <Japp> hey
[18:31] <@dic> or at least, take a huge but legal deck, stuffed with all useless stuff we can find
[18:31] <Japp> I agree with dic
[18:31] <@dic> Hmm, just noticed it is almost 7 o'clock, which is shop closure
[18:31] <Japp> ppl might try to stall us
[18:31] <@dic> gtg, get some dinner
[18:31] <@dic> see you
[18:32] <Japp> we just go mass pillars/pends + tridents and miracles
[18:32] <Japp> ciao
[18:32] <@dic> yeah, something like that
[18:33] <@dic> we can simply add everything we aren't using in our other decks
[18:33] <@dic> we can always save it again, as we have to discard 24 cards
[18:33] <@dic> and keep the rest
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[18:33] <Japp> ay
[18:33] <Japp> e
[18:33] <@dic> we just need to add enough water cards
[18:33] <@dic> now
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[18:36] <Japp> hmm tough matchups rly
[18:36] <Japp> I don't like facing Majo and 10men
[18:36] <RR_> I don't like being vs a general again. :\
[18:40] <Japp> ye
[18:41] <Japp> well
[18:41] <Japp> we can think of something to kill em
[18:41] <Japp> earth
[18:41] <Japp> aether and erth will be hard also
[18:41] <Japp> I need soem time to finish strategy though
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[18:46] <Japp> ?
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[18:56] <Japp> afk
[18:58] <@dic> Damn
[18:58] <@dic> Why can't we have 2 immolations
[18:58] <@dic> or I could build the girlpowah again
[19:01] <Japp>
[19:02] <@dic> Hmm, we could get quite some nymph fun
[19:03] <@dic> the most usefull nymphs are all possible next round (sadly we only have 6 tears): gravity, fire, life and air are all possible options
[19:17] <Japp> ben zo terug, ff voetbal kijken
[19:19] <@dic> DAMN!!!!
[19:19] <@dic> Why can't I have phase shields??
[19:20] <@dic> Eh, gravity shield I mean
[19:20] <@dic> stupid dead battery causing us to lose the most juicy salvage ever
[19:20] * dic rages
[19:21] <@dic> Hmm, how about this: we try to come up with as much decks that both counter a rush and break a deckout stall
[19:22] <@dic> and we simply ignore the event card, and just try to get as many wins as possible, instead of building weak decks that might work as deckout stall, or watery rushes that will never be fast enough to out rush the faster elements
[19:23] <@dic> Thinking of stuff like steamies + control, dimshields with fractal dragons, wings + air nymphs, that kind of stuff
[19:24] <@dic> sadly we can't build both steamies with rage, air nymphs with workable gasses and lance a lot
[19:24] <@dic> dimshield deck could have a few lightnings too
[19:25] <@dic> then, make it 32 cards, so you can deck your opponent, or use the dragons to break a stall
[19:56] <Japp> hmm soundscool
[20:11] <Japp> hmm
[20:11] <Japp> ga zo aan de strategy post werken
[20:12] <Japp> snap jou lay out nog niet zo maar goed
[20:13] <@dic> Ik stuur je wel de code voor de hele post
[20:20] <@dic> Ok, Kijk naar je pm's
[20:20] <@dic> kopiëer die code
[20:21] <@dic> plak het in je post, en vul alles in (oh, en maak de titel "Round 3 - Main Topic - Strategy")
[20:21] <Japp> ok cool
[20:21] <Japp> sec
[20:24] <Japp> hmm
[20:24] <Japp> dit staat me niet echt aan dic
[20:24] <Japp> ik weet niet wat je met die lay out wilt
[20:25] <Japp> maar ik raak nogal in de war van al die tables
[20:25] <Japp> wat doen die wtee tables erin?...
[20:25] <@dic> wtee?
[20:28] <Japp> twee
[20:30] <@dic> de inhoudsopgave maken
[20:31] <Japp> eh
[20:31] <@dic> Om te zorgen dat je gemakkelijk van het ene onderdeel naar het andere komt heb ik overal een inhoudstabel met linkjes staan
[20:31] <@dic> zodat je niet alle posts in spoilers hoeft te zetten
[20:31] <@dic> Kijk dit doet die tabel:
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/6991/tablesl.png[20:33] <@dic> Simpel gezegd, voor de inhoud van de strategy kun je ze negeren, maar laat ze alsjeblieft wel netjes boven en onderaan de post staan, zodat je gemakkelijk heen en weer kun linken tussen de verschillende onderdelen van de main thread
[20:33] <Japp> ah ok
[20:33] <Japp> dank je
[20:33] <Japp> ja ik snap m
[20:33] * dic likes pretty pictures, they help explaining
[20:35] <Japp> ja ik ben niet van die fancy stuff
[20:37] <Japp> ok ik begin bij aether
[20:43] <@dic> De inhoud laat ik helemaal aan jouw over
[20:47] <Japp> ja heb de decks van aether net gedaan
[20:48] <@dic> Ik ben bezig met de discarding
[20:48] <@dic> maar ik wordt er een beetje depressief van
[20:49] <@dic> dus ben ik ondertussen een grappig maar best wel effectief deck aan het testen
[20:49] <@dic> Deck is: 3 frogs, 1 forest spirit, 3 crawlers, 3 puffers, 3 nymph tears, 2 squids
[20:50] <@dic> and voor de quanta 3 life pendulum, 9 water pillar, 3 water pendulum
[20:50] <@dic> it works really funny
[20:51] <Japp> kijk dat soort dingen hebben we nodig
[20:52] <Japp> of die toten deck die we nog hebben
[20:52] <Japp> andere teams werken net zoals ik
[20:52] <Japp> en iedereen test vs standaard decks
[20:52] <Japp> reken maar dat teams vs Valkyrie, lance alot, etc testen
[20:52] <Japp> kunnen wij een PU dragon maken?
[20:54] <@dic> Ja
[20:54] <@dic> Eh, nee
[20:54] <Japp> damn
[20:54] <Japp> geen PU's?
[20:55] <@dic> Nee, we hadden ze vorige ronde kunnen krijgen, maar toen hebben we voor de drunkyard gekozen
[20:55] <@dic> Maar we kunnen wel fractals krijgen
[20:55] <Japp> hmm ok
[20:55] <@dic> dus fractal dragon is wel mogelijk
[20:55] <Japp> fractal crawler
[20:55] <Japp> prima optie imo
[20:55] <Japp> + defense
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[20:57] <RR> Back
[20:58] <Japp> hey
[20:58] <Japp> can we still build a novabow?
[20:59] <@dic> Hmm, no, not a viable one I'm affraid
[20:59] <@dic> we can save the nova's but that means dropping the bow-cards
[20:59] <@dic> or save the bow cards, but than we don't have nova's
[21:00] <Japp> very
[21:00] <Japp> that's..... bad
[21:00] <Japp> dump the nova's and see if we can salvage 6 later on?
[21:02] <@dic> Yeah, that was my idea
[21:02] <@dic> Typical win with my deck:
http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/5696/schermafdruk23101121015.png[21:03] <@dic> Sadly I was one life quantum short
[21:03] <@dic> or I would have created an adrenasquid, just for the sake of having one
(adrenaoctopus actually, but squid sounds better)
[21:04] <Japp> hehe ye
[21:05] <@dic> That deck is great as stall breaker
[21:05] <@dic> at least, a stall centered on healing
[21:06] <@dic> because typically you are just starting to get going when you have already finished your opponents hp's
[21:07] <@dic> Hmm, Jappert, could you do a strategy on light (yes, of course), preferably soon
[21:07] <@dic> This adrenasquid deck could be great against light
[21:07] <@dic> they have no CC, but hatefull stalls
[21:07] <@dic> but with this deck you can easily get a lot of damage out
[21:08] <@dic> it might even beat the immortal, if I wasn't fearing the earthquakes
[21:08] <Japp> sure dic
[21:08] <Japp> will do that next
[21:09] <@dic> Thanks
[21:09] <Japp> light is hard...
[21:09] <Japp> they play so differently now Zeru and GG are there
[21:10] <@dic> Hmm, and I just realized, the immortal can pack diamond shields now, for my loss
[21:13] <Japp> ouch
[21:13] <Japp> we should go with at least 1 water/life deck this round
[21:13] <Japp> we need the surprise effect
[21:14] <Japp> I am confident enough to say my darkness prediction is spot on
[21:15] <Japp> Aether/Darkness vs us
[21:15] <Japp> dunno in what form yet
[21:17] <@dic> hmm, why aether/darkness?
[21:18] <Japp> Devtal
[21:18] <Japp> hmm
[21:18] <Japp> PU Dragons
[21:18] <Japp> Fractal vamps/gargs
[21:19] <Japp> fractal wordt een keycard tegen stalls
[21:19] <Japp> Torb knows I like to stall and water is an element that can do it
[21:19] <Japp> devtal can lock us down quick
[21:19] <Japp> btw about light
[21:19] <Japp> test vs 2 stalls
[21:19] <Japp> firestall + immortal
[21:20] <Japp> test vs novabow with pegasi, Immobow and discosaders?
[21:20] <@dic> well, adrena squids is never going to beat the immortal
[21:20] <@dic> not with 9 upgraded cards
[21:21] <@dic> and thus potentially diamond shields
[21:21] <@dic> And, I beating the immortal with a single forest spirit and early poison from the puffers is not going to work
[21:21] <@dic> it might be doable with steamies though
[21:22] <@dic> because, just like fractal, steamie is a really nice stall beater
[21:22] <@dic> the longer you give it to beat you up, the more certain you can be it will
[21:24] <Japp> hmm well
[21:24] <Japp> steams are very nice ye
[21:24] <Japp> and if they use immortal you can bet your sweet ass on them using diamond shields
[21:24] <@dic> Yes, which would fail with the life rush
[21:25] <Japp> ye no life rush vs light
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[21:27] <Japp> ciao Rav
[21:27] <RR__> BACK
[21:27] <@dic> wb
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[21:27] <@dic> Hmm, speaking of steamies
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[21:27] <@dic> maybe we should save them out of tiko's deck
[21:28] <@dic> they could prove really usefull this round
[21:28] <Japp> aye
[21:28] <Japp> Tiko's loss might have hurt the most
[21:29] <Japp> even though gillero's loss sucked harder
[21:29] <@dic> tiko's loss hurst us the most vaultwise
[21:29] <@dic> but RNG was real hatefull last round
[21:29] <@dic> 3 matches that could have ended both ways (shantu, rav and tiko) and all were lost
[21:30] <RR> RNG was very awful with Shantu.
[21:30] <@dic> RNG was awefull against Gillero when he was subbing too
[21:31] <@dic> a single bolt could have won the third game (there was a non burrowed lonely shrieker just sitting over there for a few turns, with gil having more than 10 quanta) but he never ever saw a bolt
[21:31] <Japp> hmm goddamn light
[21:32] <Japp> afk for strategy
[21:32] <RR>
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,32713.0.html I feel like this.
[21:32] <Japp> I mean Shantu's loss btw, that one sucked hard
[21:32] <@dic> huh, what do you mean rav
[21:33] <@dic> My opinion: 3 rightfully won matches (Japp, Dag and Me), 2 right fully lost matches (Acs, Gil), 3 matches that could have gone either way, but were all lost <- RNG hate
[21:34] <RR> I have the feeling they're going to use that deck.
[21:34] <Japp> havent seen discosaders yet this war?
[21:35] <RR> Nope.
[21:35] <RR> But they have "Magnolia"
[21:35] <RR> Titan+Sader
[21:35] <@dic> no, but I have seen a few vader saders
[21:35] <@dic> Whut, who named that deck Magnolia and why
[21:36] <RR> I did, because when I posted one on the forums I named it Magnolia.
[21:37] <Japp> hmm guys
[21:37] <@dic> That is not an answer to the why question, it answers the who and how question however
[21:37] <@dic> Yes?
[21:37] <Japp> stop talking bs
[21:37] <Japp> we need to make sure we pack cc vs light
[21:37] <Japp> again...
[21:37] <RR> Why? Because it is white and it has something "Magno".
[21:37] <Japp> They are heavily packing Saders
[21:37] <@dic> Hmm, I like it
[21:37] <Japp> haven;t seen discosaders and they won;t use vader sader imo
[21:37] <@dic> Yes, Japp, I noticed that too
[21:38] <Japp> but Magnolia is a possibility
[21:38] <@dic> but some squids could take care of that
[21:38] <@dic> squids could be really usefull versus light
[21:38] <RR> I did not even think about vadersader.
[21:38] <@dic> what CC have they shown, Japp?
[21:38] <RR> Because they're going to use it against "more dangerous" teams.
[21:39] <Japp> Team Light is possibly teh strongest team tactically speaking though
[21:39] <Japp> Majo and GG will test it vs every deck we used
[21:40] <Japp> how about this
[21:40] <Japp> dim shield + lobotomise vs light
[21:40] <@dic> which means: we need to come up with something new
[21:40] <Japp> worked for aether in R1
[21:40] <Japp>
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,32761.0.html[21:40] <@dic> it is new, but predictable, but it could work
[21:41] <RR> If they only hadn't had Magnolia, my deck choice would be sure.
[21:42] <@dic> what would you take without considering magnolia Rav?
[21:43] <Japp> they haven't showed a novabow yet this war
[21:43] <Japp> no immorush either
[21:43] <@dic> Hmm, sad they are using so much crusaders
[21:43] <RR> DIMSHIELD!
[21:43] <@dic> or we could easily take the Nymphcord
[21:43] <RR> If we had trident...
[21:43] <@dic> hmm, nevermind, they have sancs of course
[21:44] <@dic> on the tridents, we have 6, but we might discard some
[21:45] <@dic> but we can save them if you can build a working deck with them
[21:47] <RR> The problem is we're going to discard too much :\
[21:47] <@dic> how much would you need?
[21:47] <RR> Enough to stop them.
[21:48] <Japp> hello?
[21:48] <@dic> Hmm, shouldn't that be 'many' ?
[21:48] <RR> All their tactics are generally heavy on quanta.
[21:48] <@dic> What Japp?
[21:49] <@dic> Hmm, hard discarding from your deck for sure Rav
[21:49] <@dic> We are short on shields and crawlers, but earthquakes and tridents might be really usefull
[21:49] <@dic> same for the bolts
[21:50] <@dic> finally:
http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/6867/adrenasquid.png[21:52] <Japp> .....
[21:54] <@dic> Hmm, Rav, how about squids + dim shield
[21:54] <RR> K.
[21:54] <RR> I'm not building any deck.
[21:54] <RR> I have cursed touch.
[21:55] <@dic> With a few bolts and a fractal dragon that might only suffer from the immortal
[21:58] <@dic> damn: pandemonium -> lobo on my nymph
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[21:58] <@dic> and lightning on my adrenacrawler and RT on my adrena frog
[21:59] <@dic> thus my damage output it divided by 7, with a single card
[22:09] <RR> ..
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[17:02] <Japp> hey
[17:03] <RR> Hi, Japp.
[17:06] <@dic> Hey RR en Japp
[17:20] <@dic> Lulz
[17:20] <Japp> sup
[17:20] <@dic> I was checking War and WoE sections
[17:20] <@dic> for new posts
[17:21] <@dic> and the first thing I ran into was a "thanks for the fun"-post by Jappert
[17:21] <@dic> which got me totally confused and worried: Why would Japp leave or awesome war team, he never said he would, etc.
[17:22] <@dic> But than it turned out to be in the WoE section
[17:22] <Japp> haha
[17:24] <@dic> *or -> our
[17:25] <@dic> afk-ing
[17:25] <@dic> tentamens over een week <- ik ga maar eens wat huiswerk doen
[17:26] <Japp> ouch ye, good luck
[17:32] <RR> What?
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[17:46] <@dic> @ RR I was saying I'm having exams in a week, so I started to do some homework
[17:46] <@dic> therefore, afk-ing
[17:46] <RR> K.
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[18:19] <Jappert> I disc alot...
[18:55] <@dic> Hmmm, shall I apply for WoE main organizer?
[19:46] <Jappert> if you're up for the job
[19:46] <Jappert> I'd fail at that prob and make alot of mistakes
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[21:53] <RR> Hi, Japp.
[21:53] <Japp> hey
[21:53] <Japp> gonna finish some strategy
[21:53] <Japp> starting with death
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[22:12] <Japp> internet is fucked
[22:12] <Japp> make sure we dont screw this up guys:
[22:12] <Japp> " * Please post a screenshot of your ttw in the battle results thread."
[22:14] <RR> GNIGHT
[22:14] <Japp> but...
[22:14] <Japp> Valkyrie + Purifies vs death?
[22:15] <Japp> wings are nice
[22:15] <Japp> CC is nice
[22:15] <Japp> just that goddamn bonebolt...
[22:16] <Japp> death ses pretty retarded decks this war
[22:16] <Japp> uses
[22:17] <Japp> or fractal crawlers + CC?
[22:17] <Japp> + dims maybe
[22:17] <Japp> breaks through bonewall and they wont expect it
[22:19] <Japp> Dic, RR
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[23:11] <Japp> Dic?
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[23:42] <Japp> heb de strategy ff snel afgemaakt
[23:42] <Japp> wat meer werk omdat dit de eerste round is dat ik hem zo maak
[23:42] <Japp> ga nu tukken :s
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[17:33] <Japp> oy
[17:35] <@dic> Hey
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[18:12] <Acsabi44> woot woot I haz access
[18:12] <Acsabi44> hi chat
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[18:12] <RR> BOO
[18:12] <Acsabi44> any ideas so far?
[18:13] <Acsabi44> I have a few
[18:13] <RR> A suicide deck.
[18:14] <RR> We can't take everything.
[18:14] <Acsabi44> if we suicide we might as well suicide 60 card decks
[18:15] <RR> We don't even have the chance to build a 60 card deck
[18:15] <Acsabi44> with pillars
[18:15] <Acsabi44>
[18:16] <Acsabi44> okay, then wehre to sicide?
[18:17] <RR> I don't have a single idea.
[18:18] <RR> I say we fight against Gravity.
[18:19] <Acsabi44> and time
[18:19] <Acsabi44> I'd like us to try the phoenix-deflag deck vs. time
[18:20] <RR> Rewind might hit Steams/High Costing creatures haaarrd.
[18:20] <Acsabi44> then play low costing creatures.
[18:21] <Acsabi44> 3 upped crawlers
[18:21] <RR> I have this thing purify is a game winner against Time.
[18:21] <Acsabi44> I wnna run that deck vs. them bc of deflag
[18:22] <RR> Mh...
[18:22] <RR> So, you're thinking of them using the same deck again?
[18:22] <Acsabi44> or we can salvage 5 dimshields and run that
[18:23] <Acsabi44> same deck? no I ran a discord deck vs. them last round
[18:23] <RR> Btw, I'm willing to take a crap deck to help the team.
[18:24] <Acsabi44> me too, if needed
[18:24] <RR> Them using the same deck. Not us.
[18:24] <Acsabi44> yeah I am afraid of dimshield and eternity.
[18:26] <Acsabi44> eternity mostly.
[18:26] <RR> I guessed so.
[18:27] <@dic> woah
[18:27] <@dic> busy in here
[18:27] <@dic> anyway, I finished the discarding post
[18:29] <RR> I have an idea, to know where we can start to brainstorm about decks.
[18:30] <@dic> btw, if we are to take a suicide deck
[18:30] <@dic> I would prefer it to be legal
[18:30] <@dic> and like 47 cards
[18:30] <@dic>
[18:30] <@dic> good change some teams will try to deck us
[18:30] <@dic> on the other hand, good change they might expect us to deck them thus adding some kind of stallbreaker
[18:31] <RR> For now, ignore my post.
[18:31] <@dic> but well, an illegal deck will lose for sure
[18:31] <@dic> what post?
[18:32] <RR> The one in main topic.
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[18:34] <RR> We'd have 5 pillars left (with absolute discard).
[18:34] <RR> And 23 pends.
[18:34] <RR> For the other 4 decks.
[18:35] <@dic> absolute discard = discarding all of them?
[18:35] <@dic> oh, and we can convert some cards if we want
[18:35] <RR> Discarding all the cards, salvaging none.
[18:36] <@dic> oh, and we can salvage some pilllars/pendulums
[18:36] <RR> We'd have Rewind, Miracle, another Valkirie and some Poison cards left.
[18:36] <RR> 4 decks, yay. We just have to manage to build them well.
[18:37] <RR> Plus we have random shit.
[18:38] <RR> (ex: 1 abom, gravity quanta sources, a forest spirit, 2 enchant artifacts).
[18:38] <RR> This means we don't have to suicide.
[18:38] <RR> But it might help.
[18:39] <@dic> And we could try to save some of the decks we lost
[18:39] <@dic> like the discords
[18:39] <@dic> to build a nymphcord this round
[18:40] <RR> Plus we have dimensional salvages and we can build a lance-a-lot.
[18:41] <Japp> if we suicide, at least bring purifies
[18:41] <Japp> in case of poisonstall
[18:41] <RR> Hi, Japp.
[18:41] <Japp> oy
[18:43] <RR> I fear building any deck. My touch is cursed.
[18:43] <Japp> lightning deck vs darkness?
[18:43] <Japp> or vs gravy
[18:44] <RR> I'm studying darkness, then.
[18:44] <Japp> mye
[18:44] <RR> What darkness has for sure: Pestal, Gotpmare, PUDragons
[18:45] <Japp> aye
[18:45] <RR> What darkness might've lost: VaderSader, DENIAL!, Wings, Mono-darkness (They just haven't lost this).
[18:46] <RR> And Parasitic poison..
[18:46] <Japp> right... lol
[18:46] <RR> What would you say we're facing, Japp?
[18:46] <Japp> darkness/aether
[18:46] <Japp> pretty sure
[18:46] <RR> I'd have said Gotpmare.
[18:46] <Japp> btw
[18:46] <Japp> I talked a bit with Kirch
[18:47] <Japp> and asked him why he never used TU Graboids
[18:47] <Japp> and he said: omg that's the exact deck we were about to use vs Gillero
[18:47] <Japp> dunno if he's kidding me or...
[18:48] <RR> Or.
[18:48] <Japp> EQ might be good vs them
[18:48] <RR>
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,32661.0.html[18:48] <Japp> unless they go novabow...
[18:49] <Japp> ye I'm thinking aether also
[18:49] <Japp> that is why I say bring EQ!
[18:49] <Japp> but it would be very bad if they go with a novabow
[18:50] <Japp> afk for food and Italian class
[18:50] <RR> Gemfinder+Mark.
[18:55] <@dic> Hmm, something to consider
[18:55] <RR> Valkirie vs Earth=
[18:55] <RR> ?
[18:55] <@dic> we took a huge beating last round, which means other teams might not see us as their biggest thread
[18:55] <@dic> thus not take their best decks
[18:56] <@dic> Valk vs Earth could go very well or very wrong
[18:56] <RR> Or, we can just pretend we're an airplane.
[18:56] <@dic> a lot of teams tried wings against earth last round
[18:56] <@dic> most if not all of them failed
[18:58] <@dic> and they know we have wings
[19:11] <RR> SoSe is awesome.
[19:18] <@dic> I have only one SoV so far
[19:20] <RR> I got two Sose from normal spins, and a SoP and a SoSa from specials.
[19:22] <Japp> I got all SoSe and SoSa, 4 SoV and 3 SoP
[19:22] <Japp>
[19:22] <Japp> brb food
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[15:35] <Daguerreo> hello
[15:42] <@dic> Hey Dag
[15:44] <Daguerreo> I should duel now
[15:45] <Daguerreo> but, why do i have eq in my deck?
[15:47] <@dic> Eh, to use them
[15:48] <@dic> what the heck
[15:48] <@dic> all the marks in the main thread are wrong
[15:48] <@dic> but I'm glad they are right in the spreadsheet
[15:49] <@dic> Daguerreo, your deck:
http://helltgivre.free.fr/elements/?deck=5i45i45i45i45i45i45i45i45i45jm5i75i75i75i75id5id5id5ie5ie5ie5ic5ic5ic59359359355k55k55k57657657656156155s7n27n274c8pm[15:50] <Daguerreo> ...
[15:50] <Daguerreo> *facestomp*
[15:51] <@dic> *repeated headdesks
[15:51] <Daguerreo> ok, now is a little bit better
[15:51] <@dic> Yeah, that should help
[15:51] <Daguerreo> lol
[15:51] <Daguerreo> i thought there was wrong mark
[15:53] <Daguerreo> I checked their decsk on round 2
[15:53] <Daguerreo> and these used in this round
[15:53] <@dic> for some reason all the marks were fucked up
[15:53] <Daguerreo>
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,32740.0.html[15:53] <Daguerreo>
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,32761.0.html[15:54] <Daguerreo> could be something similar of one of these 2
[15:58] <@dic> Dag, for the devtal, hope for some early quaking
[15:58] <@dic> for the huge stall, the quakes should help, and you can use the titans for damage, and to fling in his face
[16:00] <Daguerreo> i hope will not be devtal
[16:05] <Daguerreo> ok, quitting from here
[16:05] <Daguerreo> i'm in main chat
[16:05] <Daguerreo> see you later
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[16:16] <Daguerreo> here I am
[16:16] <Daguerreo> tell me
[16:18] <@dic> start playing
[16:18] <@dic> I will gives tips during the game
[16:19] <@dic> Daguerreo ?
[16:19] <Daguerreo> I'm hearing you
[16:22] <Daguerreo> meanwhile
[16:23] <Daguerreo> can you link to me catapult damage table?
[16:23] <@dic>
http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/cards-gravity/catapult-trebuchet/[16:23] <@dic> frozen creatures deal 50% extra damage
[16:24] <Daguerreo> are you suggesting me to freeze titan? :p
[16:25] <Daguerreo> - Freezes the opponent’s weapon when a frozen creature is thrown; an extra 30% more damage is dealt.
[16:26] <Daguerreo> ok, we're starting
[16:27] <@dic> Yes, exactly
[16:27] <@dic> and that was updated, it is now 50% extra
[16:27] <Daguerreo> gravity mark
[16:28] <@dic> fractal chargers maybe
[16:28] <Daguerreo> both titan
[16:28] <Daguerreo> trident
[16:28] <@dic> trident should take care of that
[16:28] <Daguerreo> eq and no creature
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[16:30] <RR_> Hello.
[16:30] <RR_> Izzat Fracharge?
[16:30] <RR_> Or PUTans?
[16:30] <@dic> We are not sure
[16:30] <RR_> Just bring their pends down.
[16:30] <@dic> btw Dag, frozen creatures deal 50% extra damage
[16:30] <@dic> just checked
[16:30] <RR_> DOWN WITH THE PENDS!
[16:31] <@dic> and yeah, what rav said
[16:32] <RR_> It's PUtans.
[16:32] <@dic> how do you know?
[16:32] <@dic> unless I see an animate, I won't be sure
[16:33] <RR_> There's a Titan.
[16:33] <@dic> so
[16:33] <@dic> why can't a fracharger deck pack a titan?
[16:33] <Daguerreo> he started to stall
[16:33] <Daguerreo> I don't have animate
[16:33] <RR_> Btw, Dag.
[16:33] <@dic> just blow his pendulums
[16:33] <RR_> Catapult?
[16:33] <RR_> Titan?
[16:33] <@dic> he will run out of quanta
[16:34] <@dic> and if you can, play your catapults
[16:34] <RR_> Also, if he has a Dim Shield don't throw creatures.
[16:34] <Daguerreo> ii have only 4 grav quanta
[16:34] <@dic> but wait with the titan + animate until it is a certain kill
[16:34] <@dic> wait
[16:34] <@dic> does dim shield protect against catapult?
[16:34] <Daguerreo> not now titan?
[16:35] <@dic> I would say, keep quaking
[16:35] <RR_> Catapult laughs at Dim Shield.
[16:35] <@dic> RR_ ?
[16:35] <@dic> titan or trident?
[16:35] <@dic> nevermind, replaced already
[16:35] <RR_> dic, does Dag's deck have bolts?
[16:36] <@dic>
http://helltgivre.free.fr/elements/?deck=5i45i45i45i45i45i45i45i45i45jm5i75i75i75i75id5id5id5ie5ie5ie5ic5ic5ic59359359355k55k55k57657657656156155s7n27n274c8pm[16:36] <@dic> no, but it has freezes
[16:36] <Daguerreo> no
[16:36] <@dic> what is in your hand, Dag?
[16:36] <Daguerreo> 1-0 for me
[16:36] <RR_> NICE ONE!
[16:36] <@dic> Yeah
[16:36] <@dic> I knew this would somehow work
[16:37] <@dic> Dag, take a screenshot
[16:37] <@dic> (that is, if it was in within 13 turns)
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[16:38] * dic probably should have said that earlier
[16:38] <RR__> Dag, if you win in less than 13 turns, take screenshot.
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[16:44] <@dic> desync?
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[16:46] <@dic> Help, what is going o
[16:46] <@dic> *on
[16:46] <@dic> everyone is just quitting and joining again
[16:46] <Daguerreo_> i was winning
[16:46] <Daguerreo_> and puff
[16:46] <@dic> bad connections much?
[16:46] <Daguerreo_> turned off pc
[16:46] <Daguerreo_> -.-
[16:46] <@dic> lulz
[16:48] <Daguerreo_> no not connection
[16:48] <Daguerreo_> was the pc
[16:49] <@dic> lulz
[16:49] <@dic> well, good luck
[16:49] <@dic> oh, btw, card counts?
[16:49] <Daguerreo_> good hand
[16:49] <Daguerreo_> trident already in
[16:50] <@dic> nice trident thee
[16:50] <@dic> *there
[16:50] <Daguerreo_> with eqq
[16:50] <Daguerreo_> 2 toad, freeze and eq in hand
[16:50] <@dic> save the eq in your hand
[16:50] <@dic> (of course)
[16:50] <@dic> because you might want to use it after playing a titan
[16:51] <Daguerreo_> i know
[16:51] <@dic> Oh, and as I said
[16:52] <Daguerreo_> woo
[16:52] <@dic> (and Rav too), don't forget a screeny when winning in less then 13 turns
[16:52] <Daguerreo_> drawn titan
[16:52] <Daguerreo_>
[16:52] <@dic> include some kind of clock
[16:52] <Daguerreo_> i know
[16:52] <@dic> nice
[16:52] <@dic> cata/animate?
[16:53] <Daguerreo_> none
[16:53] <@dic> no titan?
[16:53] <Daguerreo_> yes titan
[16:53] <Daguerreo_> no flyinh
[16:53] <@dic> but did you play it against the shield?
[16:53] <@dic> do play
[16:54] <@dic> and freeze that stupid charger (if you haven't already, spectate doesn't show creatures statusses)
[16:54] <Daguerreo_> no cata
[16:54] <@dic> titan has momentum, remember
[16:55] <@dic> don't forget the screenie
[16:55] <Daguerreo_> 2-0
[16:55] <Daguerreo_> screened of course
[16:55] <@dic> ok then
[16:55] <@dic> grats
[16:55] <Daguerreo_> 12 turns both
[16:56] <Daguerreo_> [16:55:19] hainkarga: trident 3 - hainkarga 0
[16:57] <@dic> yeah, saw that
[16:57] <@dic> nice
[16:57] <Daguerreo_> but
[16:57] <@dic> but what?
[16:57] <Daguerreo_> my second match
[16:57] <Daguerreo_> when i went off
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[16:58] <Daguerreo_> we didn't complete that match
[16:58] <RR> What's.
[16:58] <@dic> did hara complete it against the AI?
[16:58] <RR> [16:57:45] hainkarga: i give you the win Daguerreo, i lost it against ai
[16:59] <@dic> dag, the ttw doesn't matter
[16:59] <RR> What's the score?
[16:59] <RR> And do we have screenshot?
[16:59] <@dic> if hara grants him the win
[16:59] <@dic> 3-0 with screenies
[16:59] <@dic> OH YEAH
[16:59] <RR> Thank god my parents made me shut up yesterday.
[17:00] <RR> MashedPotatoes won.
[17:00] <@dic> Yeah
[17:00] <Daguerreo_> RR
[17:00] <RR> What?
[17:00] <@dic> semisuicide decks for the win
[17:00] <Daguerreo_> i've got a flawless victory :p
[17:00] <RR> I see.
[17:00] <RR> *highfive*
[17:00] <Daguerreo_> *highfive*
[17:00] <Daguerreo_> i love earth/water decks
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[17:01] <Daguerreo_> just in time!
[17:01] <Daguerreo_> jaaapp
[17:01] <RR> JAAAP!
[17:01] <RR> TIME TO USE THOSE PARTY ANIMALS!
[17:01] <Japp> hey
[17:01] <Japp> what
[17:01] <@dic> Dag won
[17:01] <@dic> 3 - 0
[17:01] <RR> And let's hope will stops gravity, they're gaining too much momentum for my tastes.
[17:01] <@dic> with event bonus
[17:02] <RR> And yes, Japp. You can try to kill me.
[17:02] <Japp> dag won...
[17:02] <@dic> btw Daguerreo_ just post a placeholder on the forums
[17:03] <@dic> that means hara can replay while you fix it
[17:03] <@dic> And yes Japp
[17:03] <Japp> wth
[17:03] <Daguerreo_> tou can't believe it jap? U___U
[17:03] <Japp> people's vaults are retarded this war
[17:03] <@dic> trident > whatever they had (frachargers I guess)
[17:03] <Daguerreo_> and
[17:03] <Japp> well Dag
[17:03] <@dic> and titan > dim shield
[17:03] <Daguerreo_> titan > dim shield
[17:03] <Japp> I know your deck
[17:04] <Japp> told you Rav
[17:04] <Japp> did the cata's help? or EQ's?
[17:04] <@dic> EQ dis
[17:04] <RR> Hara can replay?
[17:04] <@dic> cata's were never drawn
[17:05] <@dic> but the titan did help
[17:05] <RR> TITAN <3
[17:05] <Japp> got screenshot Dag?
[17:05] <RR> It's because I didn't build that deck, dic.
[17:06] <Daguerreo_> titan-eq-trident was a great combo
[17:06] <@dic> Rav, could you please stop whining?
[17:06] <RR> Nope.
[17:06] <Daguerreo_> destroying pillars with trident
[17:06] <Daguerreo_> when he played dim shield, shifted with titan
[17:06] <Daguerreo_> and continue to destroy pillar with eq
[17:07] <Daguerreo_>
http://imageplay.net/img/m7Gbd233150/1_0.png[17:07] <Daguerreo_>
http://imageplay.net/img/m7Gbd233149/2_0.png[17:08] <Japp> 2 things Rav
[17:08] <RR> What, Japp?
[17:08] <Japp> 1. You were wrong, I was right
[17:08] <Japp> 2. Stop whining :p
[17:08] <RR> Dag, hide the #teamwaderp tab.
[17:08] <Japp> also +rep for Dic for building that deck
[17:08] <Daguerreo_> oh shit
[17:08] <RR> Remember to save a copy.
[17:08] <@dic> thanks
[17:09] <RR> Before putting some shitty paint bucket on it.
[17:09] <Japp> oh shit?
[17:09] <Japp> stop scaring us
[17:11] <Japp> Dag?
[17:11] <RR> Daaag=
[17:13] <RR> Japp, what's the Gravy/Life match about?
[17:13] <@dic> fire/life stall versus grabies + chargers
[17:13] <Japp> fog vs frogs I think
[17:13] <Japp> fog wins
[17:13] <@dic> will has carapace, but it is useless against the chargers
[17:13] <@dic> only thing will had on the table was a fahrenheit
[17:14] <@dic> and fog was evading like 80% of the attacks
[17:14] <Daguerreo_>
http://imageplay.net/img/m7Gbd233153/1_0yeah.png[17:14] <Daguerreo_> what, rr
[17:14] <RR> Seems good to me.
[17:14] <@dic> lulz, nice Dag
[17:16] <@dic> Oh dag, next time do as I said
[17:16] <@dic> post something like: topic title: "bla"
[17:16] <@dic> text: "bla"
[17:17] <@dic> give that link to your opponents
[17:17] <@dic> *opponent
[17:17] <@dic> so he can start posting his reply
[17:17] <@dic> whily you fix your post
[17:17] <Daguerreo_> mh
[17:17] <Daguerreo_> you're right
[17:17] <Daguerreo_>
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,32951.0.html[17:17] == Daguerreo_ has changed nick to Daguerreo
[17:18] <@dic> Hara has dissappeared
[17:18] <@dic> but well, he can post whenever he is back
[17:18] <Daguerreo> yeah
[17:20] == RR [webchat@adsl-ull-70-180.51-151.net24.it] has quit [Ping timeout]
[17:20] <Daguerreo> so
[17:21] <Daguerreo> let's party, lol
[17:21] <Daguerreo>
[17:22] <@dic> wtf Dag
[17:22] <@dic> I needed to confirm I'm 18
[17:22] <Daguerreo> it's a song!
[17:22] <Daguerreo> is youtube lol
[17:22] <Daguerreo> xD
[17:22] <Daguerreo> not youporn
[17:23] <@dic> not that is matters, I'm 18
[17:23] <@dic> oh, UTAlan posted the deck
[17:23] <@dic> I propose we salvage another titan
[17:23] <Japp> nice
[17:23] <Japp> best win of this war Dag
[17:23] <Japp> well done
[17:23] <@dic> just to use this epic deck again, but with more flinging
[17:23] <Japp> and Dic, respect for that deck m8
[17:23] <Japp> wtf m8
[17:23] <Japp> you beat Fracharge...
[17:24] <@dic> Hmm, I have the feeling team water will win the most genius deck of war again
[17:24] <Japp> Dude!
[17:24] <Daguerreo> yeah
[17:24] <Daguerreo> because I'm a genius. (Slam Dunk quote)
[17:25] <Daguerreo> dic, have you seen that video?
[17:25] <Japp> let's call that deck THE SCRAPYARD
[17:25] <@dic> @Dag, part of it
[17:25] <Japp> aka gimped drunkyard
[17:25] <@dic> Japp, Rav already named it mashed potatoes
[17:25] <Japp> btw Rav, stop hogging up forum icons
[17:26] <Japp> oh lol
[17:26] <Daguerreo> but anyway guys
[17:26] <Daguerreo> i was very luck with draw :O
[17:26] <@dic> bye Dag
[17:26] <@dic> good job
[17:26] <Japp> ciao
[17:26] <Japp> we can salvage alot of dims and fractal from that also
[17:27] <Japp> very, very nice
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[17:27] <Daguerreo> dic, give me the @
[17:27] <Japp> as we have somestrong aether decks
[17:27] <RR> I lost everything after: [dic: Dag, next time do what I say]
[17:27] <@dic> yeah, I love the salvage
[17:27] * Daguerreo slaps dic around a bit with a large fishbot
[17:27] <Japp> Rav, are all quizes the same for everyone?
[17:27] <Japp> aka do you get teh same questiosn as me?
[17:28] <RR> I don't think.
[17:28] <@dic> ok guys
[17:28] <@dic> of heading for the shop
[17:28] <@dic> need drinks and dinner
[17:28] <RR> What was said after [dic: Dag, next time do what I say]?
[17:28] <Daguerreo> parli di fare il thread vuoto blablabla?
[17:29] <Japp> fai da te Dag!
[17:29] <@dic> Eh, when did I say that?
[17:29] <RR> Something like that.
[17:29] <@dic> Oh, I found it
[17:29] <@dic> quite a lot
[17:29] <Daguerreo> I understood
[17:29] <@dic> I will post the chatlog
