Phase 2 - Community Vote

[killsdazombies]

its official, i wont win

well i voted for you.

[Kael Hate]

I vote for bloodshadow. He seems to exemplify , while Kael seems to exemplify evil. There's a significant difference.

Really, you think I'm EVIL? I've always posted that Darkness is not Good or Evil, its just Darkness. From the first notion of the Good or Evil War and it was Bloodshadow who's card ideas for this trials phase 1 were, Spirit Harvester (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,10413.0.html), Dominator (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,10726.0.html), Cultist (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,10729.0.html), Demonic Rituals (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,10520.0.html), and Demons (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,10517.0.html).

I don't like this.
It stinks of Good and Evil.

Elements aren't grouped in any way any more than any other combination except for the balance which is in reality a compliment. Why are we insisting on grouping elements in categories at all? No element is defined as part of some greater element thats why it is an element. There is no restriction that prevents Gravity and Aether being linked together to make something why are they grouped apart? If there was to be a group it would be only 1 group consisting of all the elements.

"A fundamental, essential, or irreducible constituent of a composite entity"
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/element

Bah Elements are not Good or Evil.
Only the actions of an elements controller can be interpretatied as such.

Darkness has no personal allegiance, its cares not for Good or Evil, it is beyond that.
Darkness is not an 'is', but is an "is not" of everything else.

Just a quick question to each of the contestants of this one - hopefully, everyone will respond/answer my question to give me a better idea of who to vote for. ^^; (Just remember - no answer = no vote from me )

Q: All of you have different opinions of how Darkness should be thematically. That said, could you name a game mechanic, ability, or idea that would contradict your concept of what Darkness is really about?

Healing Light.

Thank you for your support, Xinef. No more karma, though; I wouldn't want to upset SG or confuse newbies.

No deep philosophical questions yet? Come on, I love philosophical debates... somewhat.

I didn't like when Kael said that he just wanted more power through a master title, whatever it was, after a nice introduction telling of his photophobia.

Can you correct me if I am wrong?

That was when he ran for Master of Time, I think. His eventual goal is the Grand Master. And I have to say, the photophobia isn't all that necessary.

The photophobia thing created a nice atmosphere.

This is my reason for Challenging for Darkness

With the old Darkness master stepping down, I don't want a cheap hack just walking back in. If it means that I have to stand for the position to do so I will.

And My hypersensitivity to light isn't atmosphere, its what I in real life actually suffer from.

I'm voting for Bloodshadow for various reasons, including this one:

Demons aren't necessarily evil. Darkness isn't necessarily evil. At least I disagree on THAT part of the stereotype. No, scratch that; I HATE that part of the stereotype.

Yet as shown above, his card entries where stereotypically Evil.

My own where focused on natures of Darkness like Fear, Obfuscation, and Void.

[killsdazombies]

cue BS saying that "void isnt darkness"

[Kael Hate]

cue BS saying that "void isnt darkness"

Well a Shadow is a Void of Light. So if BS says Void isn't Darkness, is he boycotting Shadow too?

[Bloodshadow]

Yet as shown above, his card entries where stereotypically Evil.

 ???

Er... No. Spirit Harvester is a device that harvests your opponent's spent quanta. Dominator is a psionic creature that can temporarily take control of other creatures. A Cult of Darkness is not necessarily an evil cult. And Demons aren't evil; I refuse to even think otherwise. So no, none of my cards are "evil".

This is my reason for Challenging for Darkness

Really? You challenged Darkness because of something as trivial as this? This is your ONLY reason?!

cue BS saying that "void isnt darkness"

Well a Shadow is a Void of Light. So if BS says Void isn't Darkness, is he boycotting Shadow too?

To me, "void" is something that mindlessly destroys and consumes everything else. I'd be sad if Darkness becomes that.

And who said Darkness is only defined by Light? Before the form of electromagnetic force known as "light" existed, wasn't there Darkness? Darkness is a "state of existence" by itself, and it doesn't have to be defined as a negative of Light.

[Korugar]

Not choosing sides in this argument, but...actually it does. From a scientific standpoint darkness is only a lack of light. Of course, it becomes so much more here in Elements

[Bloodshadow]

Not choosing sides in this argument, but...actually it does. From a scientific standpoint darkness is only a lack of light. Of course, it becomes so much more here in Elements

What is the state of the universe before light existed?

[killsdazombies]

Not choosing sides in this argument, but...actually it does. From a scientific standpoint darkness is only a lack of light. Of course, it becomes so much more here in Elements

What is the state of the universe before light existed?

absent of light.

[Korugar]

OK, if we go there, this will turn into a theological discussion in the wrong place. However, to answer your question...you're assuming there was a universe without light. I don't know what your exact opinion of how the universe came into being is, but many have light being there from the beginning. Even if they don't, I'm not sure what difference that makes. How dark something is, does not depend on how much darkness there is, it depends on how much light there is not.

Or, to put it much shorter, what kills said.

[MrBlonde]

its official, i wont win

Nothings official until you're knocked out. Just do your best and have confidence. At worst you get some experience.

[Kael Hate]

Yet as shown above, his card entries where stereotypically Evil.

 ???

Er... No. Spirit Harvester is a device that harvests your opponent's spent quanta. Dominator is a psionic creature that can temporarily take control of other creatures. A Cult of Darkness is not necessarily an evil cult. And Demons aren't evil; I refuse to even think otherwise. So no, none of my cards are "evil".

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/demon
de·mon   /ˈdimən/  Show Spelled[dee-muhn]  Show IPA
–noun
1. an evil  spirit; devil or fiend.
2. an evil  passion or influence.
3. a person considered extremely wicked, evil, or cruel.


Harvesting ones  Spirit is not evil? Dominating ones mind is not Evil? Summoning a Demon (defined as Evil  by our lanuage) is not Evil?

I think you were quite Evil in your cards.


Darkness is the negative to Light.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/darkness
dark·ness   /ˈdɑrknɪs/  Show Spelled[dahrk-nis]  Show IPA
–noun
- absence or deficiency of light: the darkness of night.
- obscurity; concealment: The darkness of the metaphor destroyed its effectiveness.

[Kael Hate]

Not choosing sides in this argument, but...actually it does. From a scientific standpoint darkness is only a lack of light. Of course, it becomes so much more here in Elements

What is the state of the universe before light existed?

An absence of Light

absent of light.

Ninja'd. lol.

OK, if we go there, this will turn into a theological discussion in the wrong place. However, to answer your question...you're assuming there was a universe without light. I don't know what your exact opinion of how the universe came into being is, but many have light being there from the beginning. Even if they don't, I'm not sure what difference that makes. How dark something is, does not depend on how much darkness there is, it depends on how much light there is not.

Or, to put it much shorter, what kills said.

It's good to see some people who understand language and science.