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« on: July 30, 2010, 06:02:00 am »
NAME: Spirit Harvester
ELEMENT: Darkness
COST: 6 :darkness
TYPE: Permanent
ATK|HP: -
ABILITY: Whenever your opponent spends quanta, you gain the same amount of :darkness.
Upkeep: :darkness :darkness :darkness per turn.
NAME: Soul Harvester
ELEMENT: Darkness
COST: 5 :darkness
TYPE: Permanent
ATK|HP: -
ABILITY: Whenever your opponent spends quanta, you gain the same amount of :darkness.
Upkeep: :darkness :darkness :darkness per turn.
ART:
This generic "dark energy" picture is found on SO MANY different websites that it's impossible to find the real artist...
http://pdgusers.lbl.gov/~pslii/uabackup/final_frontier/darkenergy/4200100.html
Google Results (http://www.google.ca/images?q=dark+energy&hl=en&gbv=2&tbs=isch:1,simg:djzD7KjTqmG2YM_3&iact=hc&vpx=539&vpy=346&dur=1196&hovh=201&hovw=251&tx=42&ty=289&ei=pV1TTLbrEIK88gbLp8WSBA&page=3&tbnh=154&tbnw=196&ved=1t:722,r:10,s:63&biw=1680&bih=819)
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You only gain quanta if your opponent spends quanta. Thus, no quanta gained from Devourer absorption, or Black Hole WTFdrain.
If your opponent uses an Advanced Spell (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,5696.0.html), then you gain :darkness equal to whatever s/he lost. For example, if your opponent uses Miracle at 100 :light, you gain 100 :darkness. OP? Maybe; but those Advanced Spells are powerful enough anyways, and your opponent rarely accumulates ridiculous amounts of quanta just for using them all up on a single Advanced Spell.
The upkeep is the same as Flooding. No quanta, this card is destroyed.
This card does not stack with itself. You can't gain more than you take.
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New Dark Age (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,10730.0.html) - My card series for the Trial of Darkness.
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Re: Spirit Harvester | Soul Harvester https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10413.msg128121#msg128121
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2010, 08:37:43 pm »
...nobody?

I thought there'd be like a dozen people yelling "OMFG OP" by the end of yesterday...
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Re: Spirit Harvester | Soul Harvester https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10413.msg128234#msg128234
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2010, 10:58:26 pm »
What tools did you use to design the card? The icons look really nicely done. :)

That said, it isn't really THAT broken, because it requires the opponent to actually spend quanta in some form in order for you to gain a benefit (which is probably more or less efficient than Devourers, depending on your take of it). I'm guessing this card doesn't stack with itself, because then it would probably negate the double-draining (or more) cost per turn upon the opponent playing expensive :darkness cards.

Oh, and if there are multiple sites that have the art, link a few of them if you can. Perhaps we can decipher the 'real' artist that way. ;)

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Re: Spirit Harvester | Soul Harvester https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10413.msg128244#msg128244
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2010, 11:22:12 pm »
What tools did you use to design the card? The icons look really nicely done. :)
Planplan's generator + icons from SG's template + edited with Adobe Fireworks. Sort of a "hybrid" template.

I'm guessing this card doesn't stack with itself
I said that in the notes. It doesn't stack. You can't gain more than what you take from your opponent. Law of equivalent exchange.

Oh, and if there are multiple sites that have the art, link a few of them if you can. Perhaps we can decipher the 'real' artist that way. ;)
http://www.google.ca/images?q=dark+energy&hl=en&gbv=2&tbs=isch:1,simg:djzD7KjTqmG2YM_3&iact=hc&vpx=539&vpy=346&dur=1196&hovh=201&hovw=251&tx=42&ty=289&ei=pV1TTLbrEIK88gbLp8WSBA&page=3&tbnh=154&tbnw=196&ved=1t:722,r:10,s:63&biw=1680&bih=819

Good luck finding it ;) :P
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Re: Spirit Harvester | Soul Harvester https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10413.msg128933#msg128933
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2010, 03:38:00 am »
Why is no one replying? I thought this would be a pretty interesting card!

BTW, I'm going to change the series name to "New Dark Age".
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Re: Spirit Harvester | Soul Harvester https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10413.msg128938#msg128938
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2010, 03:57:34 am »
lol this would wrecked (in a good way) black hole/pests = pro...but one question

what would discord do to this, cause it subtracts quanta from one element, but doesn't reduce the total number

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Re: Spirit Harvester | Soul Harvester https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10413.msg128940#msg128940
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2010, 04:04:44 am »
lol this would wrecked (in a good way) black hole/pests = pro...but one question
OH SHI-

But I suppose that is OK, since this card is only OP when your opponent allows it to be. It might actually be good to have an uber anti-rainbow deck.

However, if most people think it's OP when used in conjunction with Black Holes, then I will change this so that you only gain :darkness when your opponent spends quanta.

what would discord do to this, cause it subtracts quanta from one element, but doesn't reduce the total number
Nothing, since Discord doesn't actually make your opponent lose any quanta.
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Re: Spirit Harvester | Soul Harvester https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10413.msg128942#msg128942
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2010, 04:07:55 am »
What happens with miracle/fractal?

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Re: Spirit Harvester | Soul Harvester https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10413.msg128946#msg128946
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2010, 04:15:16 am »
What happens with miracle/fractal?
SON OF A-

I suppose you gain whatever your opponent loses... So if your opponent has 100 :light when he uses Miracle, you gain 100 :darkness... Again, this is only OP when your opponent allows it to be, and might be a good counter to Fractal decks...

Suggestions welcome... :-\
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Re: Spirit Harvester | Soul Harvester https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10413.msg128949#msg128949
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2010, 04:18:53 am »
Look, the entire card is overpowered.  Your opponent doesn't play anything and lets you win, or he plays his deck normally and feeds you quanta, in essence letting you win.

I have a way better idea for the card.  "Whenever your opponent loses life, you gain 1 darkness quanta for every three life your opponent lost"

There.  Still the same basic concept, but now your opponent doesn't have to pick his poison, and he can counter it with healing, draining you of quanta and killing the permanent.

Re: Spirit Harvester | Soul Harvester https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10413.msg128952#msg128952
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2010, 04:24:48 am »
To me, it does seem OP. Your opponent doesnt 'allow' it to be OP, thats just how their deck works. And while they are playing conservatively you could chuck a few vampires in there to minimise your health loss, and reduce their health.


However I'd hate for that image to go to waste.
(Just my opinion, I would slightly raise the middle/top of the fountain thing. It seems a bit flat, like its been cut out of the picture)

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Re: Spirit Harvester | Soul Harvester https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10413.msg128985#msg128985
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2010, 05:09:28 am »
Kuroaitou says it's all right, while Gl1tch and DrunkDestroyer say it's OP. I'll wait for moar repliez.
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