Weekly Tournament - May 4th - The Forgotten Gratitude - Unupgraded

[treebeard xiii]

I am very happy if this is made an official rule. I'm just saying that you can't blame anyone from using dead SoG's if you don't somehow make it impossible through a specific rule.

its not the fact they used dead sogs more like the fact they felt they couldn't build a perfectly competitive deck without dead sog both the decks i used were perfectly good and had no such thing as a dead card i lost one geme by a couple of turns and the other i won cept my deck was illegal because of the special ban on novae

[deuce22]

i would hope participants would be decent enough to actually use sog properly not as a basically dead card. but the ruling does mean you have to have basically extra dead cards for one card you were never really planning to use i would hope that ruling would discourage people to use non sog using decks. I would also say number of copies should only increase by one as the number of sogs do, so one sog would allow 2 copies, 2 would allow three copies and so on

unfortunately, people aren't decent in the PVP world championships as a similar rule was heavily abused. So I doubt you will get everyone to agree on this without TO intervention. However, given the current rule set, you have to have 3-4 dead SoGs in order to field such a deck, which does weaken these decks fairly considerably. But again, you run into the issue of some players possibly cheating and submitting legal decks after they win.

What about a rule like this:

Your deck must also contain at least 4 life quanta sources (pillars/pends/standalone marks) and/or a life mark for the deck.

This is a possible solution. It would fit more with the theme of the event and is tougher to abuse and/or cheat. I'm ok with the current rule set or a possible change.

[Spielkind]

go for a rule for all events that dont allow dead cards! there is no need for building decks with dead cards (except war with suicides) so no one could be against it.

[Fippe94]

I my opinion it is not about "abusing". In my opinion pvp tournaments is all about trying to build the strongest decks from a given ruleset. Building decks with dead cards has nothing to do with " the fact they felt they couldn't build a perfectly competitive deck without dead sog", it's about building the strongest decks.

I had 4 decks built, and 2 of them was with dead SoGs. I did not see these decks as "abusing" the rules, just using them. That's why I feel we should have clear rules about what is considered as "dead cards" and not.

[treebeard xiii]

i feel the same way about dead cards for the sake of dead cards is as punishable as using sofo in a competitive meta if you respect you opponent you won't do it am i the only one who see it as respectful to not making game changing usage of cards whether they be dead cards or horribly op in the meta for pvp.

[Marsu]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nash_equilibrium

[Acsabi44]

Treebeard, your solution of 3-4 life pillars is a pretty sunjective one. I couold totally build a very slow stall deck that splashes a single life pillar to play its sogs.

[Kakerlake]

If you really don't want folks to use the SoG's as dead cards, simply make it impossible to happen.

How about forcing folks to use Mark? That should anyway be the spirit of this turney, as that would take the full potential of the SoG's.
Another option would be that the decks would have to be "War Legal for team Life".

As I understood the current rules, I thought it was encouraged to take some SoG as dead cards in order to get multiple copies of any card you want, if you chose not to go for a SoG deck.

[Marsu]

Proposal:

If a deck includes x copies of SoG, at least one of the following three conditions have to be met.
-The decks mark is Life
-The deck includes x or more Emerald Pillars and/or Life Marks
-The deck includes 2x or more Emerald Pendulums

[Mr Atomic Bomb]

OT:

Spoiler for Hidden:

can i ask why this SoG rule? i don't know the card - or, i know it with wiki - but i don't know why people should play it as a dead card.
i guess there is some strategy that my noobness hides to me.

[Kakerlake]

Proposal:

If a deck includes x copies of SoG, at least one of the following three conditions have to be met.
-The decks mark is Life
-The deck includes x or more Emerald Pillars and/or Life Marks
-The deck includes 2x or more Emerald Pendulums

As folks have proven in earlier tournaments, when they have a choice of options, it's too complicated and some will build illegal decks.
Rules will have to be easy enough for every drunk idiot to understand (it's a saturday turney after all). I even think the rule with the multiple copies of cards according to the ammount of SoG in a deck might be pushing it a bit.

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OT:

Spoiler for Hidden:

can i ask why this SoG rule? i don't know the card - or, i know it with wiki - but i don't know why people should play it as a dead card.
i guess there is some strategy that my noobness hides to me.

SoG is actually a pretty good (if not OP) card. The problem is more, that everyone "knows" that it will be used, so everyone will bring a good counter to that card. If you surprise that counter with a counter to the counter by using the SoG as dead card, you have the advantage.

[Marsu]

If you don't like the rule itself, ok - but I can't hear that argument anymore that someone won't understand it. Every 10 year old should be able to understand that. If you can make a less complicated rule that fills all holes, I'm happy, but a complicated rule is still better than one that leaves room for decks that we don't want to see, like those with dead SoG's yesterday.