*Author

Re: When the Oracle gives you a card, which ones should you skip? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28686.msg366768#msg366768
« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2011, 10:55:10 pm »
ferox is an example of AI failing with adrenaline, I don't have screen shots, but look in the "Most Humiliating FG Defeats" thread, there is one there I think

Offline Sevs

  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 2007
  • Country: us
  • Reputation Power: 26
  • Sevs is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.Sevs is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.Sevs is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.Sevs is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.Sevs is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.
  • My favorite element is Oxygen
  • Awards: Slice of Elements 3rd Birthday CakeWeekly Tournament WinnerWeekly Tournament Winner
Re: When the Oracle gives you a card, which ones should you skip? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28686.msg366769#msg366769
« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2011, 10:56:17 pm »
ferox is an example of AI failing with adrenaline, I don't have screen shots, but look in the "Most Humiliating FG Defeats" thread, there is one there I think
I think it is serket too that fails and only uses the green nymph once then stops.
"Elements is the greatest game ever made" - Abraham Lincoln

Re: When the Oracle gives you a card, which ones should you skip? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28686.msg366772#msg366772
« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2011, 10:58:50 pm »
ferox is an example of AI failing with adrenaline, I don't have screen shots, but look in the "Most Humiliating FG Defeats" thread, there is one there I think
I think it is serket too that fails and only uses the green nymph once then stops.
found the post by ravingrabbid
MIND CONTROL: ENABLED.

Also, what's Ferox keeping in hand.


Also, not em for a single point...

Rainchild

  • Guest
Re: When the Oracle gives you a card, which ones should you skip? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28686.msg366832#msg366832
« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2011, 02:46:47 am »
I wholeheartedly disagree with this topic.

The fun in Arena (for me) is to build a deck around any card the Oracle gives.

Granted, some cards really don't do so well with many copies in the deck.
But getting even a couple of wins with a deck built around Sky Blitz is a rewarding experience.

Offline Rutarete

  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6505
  • Country: us
  • Reputation Power: 72
  • Rutarete frolics as one of the Phase Dragons, timeless and superior, gargantuan beasts of peerless wisdom.Rutarete frolics as one of the Phase Dragons, timeless and superior, gargantuan beasts of peerless wisdom.Rutarete frolics as one of the Phase Dragons, timeless and superior, gargantuan beasts of peerless wisdom.Rutarete frolics as one of the Phase Dragons, timeless and superior, gargantuan beasts of peerless wisdom.Rutarete frolics as one of the Phase Dragons, timeless and superior, gargantuan beasts of peerless wisdom.Rutarete frolics as one of the Phase Dragons, timeless and superior, gargantuan beasts of peerless wisdom.Rutarete frolics as one of the Phase Dragons, timeless and superior, gargantuan beasts of peerless wisdom.Rutarete frolics as one of the Phase Dragons, timeless and superior, gargantuan beasts of peerless wisdom.Rutarete frolics as one of the Phase Dragons, timeless and superior, gargantuan beasts of peerless wisdom.Rutarete frolics as one of the Phase Dragons, timeless and superior, gargantuan beasts of peerless wisdom.Rutarete frolics as one of the Phase Dragons, timeless and superior, gargantuan beasts of peerless wisdom.Rutarete frolics as one of the Phase Dragons, timeless and superior, gargantuan beasts of peerless wisdom.Rutarete frolics as one of the Phase Dragons, timeless and superior, gargantuan beasts of peerless wisdom.Rutarete frolics as one of the Phase Dragons, timeless and superior, gargantuan beasts of peerless wisdom.
  • Creativity should be nurtured.
  • Awards: Slice of Elements 6th Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 5th Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 4th Birthday CakeRuby Shard of DeckbuildingSlice of Elements 3rd Birthday Cake
Re: When the Oracle gives you a card, which ones should you skip? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28686.msg366852#msg366852
« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2011, 03:36:05 am »
I got Rustler on Wednesday; I took one look at that and said 'not happening.'  I mean, what kind of deck can you make with that, especially one that the AI can play?

Some of the ones I'd skip:
Other: probably everything except SoG/SoD/pillar (you could maybe do mono-other with animate weapons, or use SoR if you had lots of nymphs)
Entropy: Dissipation Shield.  This is a good card, but I don't think it would do well in the arena.  For one, unless your wisdom were either 0 or max, you'd have some upgraded and some not.  For another, I don't think the AI would play it at the right times.
Death: if you had the right cards, you could probably make any death card work okay.
Gravity: Graviton Mercenary, Chimera.  The mercenary just sucks, and while the Chimera has its (rather narrow) place, the AI is really bad with it, and you don't really want five copies of it in your deck.  (or ten!)
Earth: Plate Armour.  It's pretty bad, one of the worst cards in the game.  I suppose you could combo it with Otyugh or something, but I'd skip.
Life: Rustler, Emerald Shield.  Rustler is a very narrow card, and I doubt you'd get the AI to use it right.  I mean, look at Ferox; often he won't convert light to life on its turn, and even worse, Rustler has an extremely high AI priority for things like Epinephrine or Blessing that you would rather have on almost anything else.  Emerald Shield is not that great a shield, though it has its place, but again, like Chimera, you do not want five of them in your deck.
Fire: I think any card here would be playable if you had the right cards to support it
Water: Flooding.  Probably this is one of the worst cards in the game, and FIVE copies in your deck?  Ugh.  Give me Rustler any day over this...
Light: Probably any card would work here if you had the cards to support it.  I've already skipped Blessing twice since Arena went live, but that's in large part because I have zero upgraded light pillars/pendulums, so any light deck I made would probably be rather bad.
Air: Thunderstorm.  This is probably the worst air card, and I don't think I've ever used it, or even seen it used, other than by random AI decks.  You might be able to make a case for skipping Fog Shield or Sky Blitz, not because they are bad, but because five copies is bad.
Time: Procrastination Shield.  This is probably the worst shield in the game; I'd probably play Tower Shield over this :p  The rest you could probably make a deck around if you had to, like scarab or deja vu, but there wouldn't be much room for creativity.
Darkness: Eclipse, Voodoo Doll, Liquid Shadow.  Eclipse gets redundant with five copies, and if you had a mix of eclipse/nightfall due to your wisdom level, the AI will play one of each, which is a waste.  Liquid Shadow is the crappiest darkness card, and I'd always skip that.  Voodoo Doll isn't bad, but I doubt that any of the good decks using it would be playable by the AI.
Aether: Probably any card here could make a deck, given the supporting cards again.

Some of the nymphs might be worth skipping, but it would be so fun to make a deck with five (or six nymphs, given that you would have just won one from the oracle) that I'd have to try it.  The first day arena went live, I got red nymph and made a fire stall deck.  I even got to use my SoRs for the first time!
I consider almost this whole post BS. DO you even have reasoning for demeaning all these cards?
Your post gives me the feeling that you've only seen the AI use them instead of finding better uses for them.
It is the greatest mystery of all...
Rutarete: Roo tah reh teh
[22:50] <Jyi> meaning gets lost in translation... even in the same language.
My Decks

Offline pervepic

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 700
  • Country: ee
  • Reputation Power: 9
  • pervepic is a Spark waiting for a buff.
  • New to Elements
Re: When the Oracle gives you a card, which ones should you skip? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28686.msg366933#msg366933
« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2011, 08:21:31 am »
I skipped Quantum Shield yesterday.
The Owls are not what they seem.

Offline Svenningen

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 852
  • Reputation Power: 10
  • Svenningen is taking their first peeks out of the Antlion's burrow.Svenningen is taking their first peeks out of the Antlion's burrow.
  • bepbop
Re: When the Oracle gives you a card, which ones should you skip? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28686.msg366968#msg366968
« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2011, 11:09:21 am »
I dont see a point in why LS and vodoo are autoskips, sure ai can mess it up, but thats the challenge, make a deck AI can play!

I'd probably skip these, and i wont bother giving reasons for them.

Other: Dirk and shield
Entropy: Diss shield, BE and elf
Death: plague, virus, shield and dreamcatcher - mostly because 5copies..meh
Gravity: Fire eater, catapult and gravshield
Earth: shrieker(zzz), PA, shield and titanium armor
Life: shields, bond and mitosis - I just dont want 5copies D=
Fire: RoF and fireshield
Water: shield, tears, purify and flooding
Light: shields (hope could work) luci, nymphs, miracle and holy light
Air: Skyblits and thunderstorm and fogshield~~
Time: scarab and procshield..
Darkness: cloak, nightfall and dusk shield
Aether: quint, mindgate and yes, fractal.

Thats my list of cards I skip, I tend to skip other if 1. previous deck doing good 2. my own lack of upgrades.

Offline PlayerOa

  • Master of Time
  • *
  • ******
  • Posts: 2720
  • Country: no
  • Reputation Power: 41
  • PlayerOa soars like the Phoenix, unable to be repressed.PlayerOa soars like the Phoenix, unable to be repressed.PlayerOa soars like the Phoenix, unable to be repressed.PlayerOa soars like the Phoenix, unable to be repressed.PlayerOa soars like the Phoenix, unable to be repressed.PlayerOa soars like the Phoenix, unable to be repressed.PlayerOa soars like the Phoenix, unable to be repressed.PlayerOa soars like the Phoenix, unable to be repressed.
  • Time will show
  • Awards: Slice of Elements 13th Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 12th Birthday CakeWeekly Tournament Winner (2020.12.20.)14th Trials - Master of Time2nd Elements Reunion Day Tournament WinnerSlice of Elements 11th Birthday CakeElements League 3/2019 1st Place13th Trials - Master of TimeWinner of Elements Infinity War #1Silver DonorWeekly Tournament WinnerWeekly Tournament WinnerElements League 2/2019 1st PlaceWeekly Tournament WinnerWeekly Tournament WinnerElements League 1/2019 3rd PlaceSlice of Elements 10th Birthday Cake1st Elements Reunion Day Tournament WinnerWeekly Tournament Winner7th Trials - Master of TimeWeekly Tournament WinnerSlice of Elements 3rd Birthday CakeWar #4 Winner - Team DeathWeekly Tournament WinnerMS Paint Card Art #4 WinnerSlice of Elements 2nd Birthday Cake
Re: When the Oracle gives you a card, which ones should you skip? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28686.msg366971#msg366971
« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2011, 11:28:57 am »
Why skip?
I have two scenarios:

- I have a good deck in arena that works
- I have a bad deck that is not active

So in the first case, I skip almost every card, and in the second a build a new deck no matter which card.
War #3 - Life || War #4 - Death || War #5, #6, #7, #9, #13, #14 - Time || War #8, #12 - Air

Offline TheCrazyMango

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1791
  • Reputation Power: 21
  • TheCrazyMango is a Mummy waiting to discover the path to glory.TheCrazyMango is a Mummy waiting to discover the path to glory.TheCrazyMango is a Mummy waiting to discover the path to glory.TheCrazyMango is a Mummy waiting to discover the path to glory.
  • Some call me 9270984, some call me numbers.
  • Awards: Winner of the 1st MetamorphosisSlice of Elements 2nd Birthday Cake
Re: When the Oracle gives you a card, which ones should you skip? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28686.msg367057#msg367057
« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2011, 04:49:38 pm »
Sven, fireshield would be a great card imo, i actually built a 30 card deck with 4 copies, if you want a turn 1 fireshield, then you are good to go.
Fractal, just set up an unupped pestal with dragons instead of vamps, it works well.
Shrieker, just make a shrieker rush with EQs.
Dreamcatcher run a immo-phoenix with some flesh spiders
[17:26:47] Iman00b8: Firestalls are like Jews... most people make fun of them and say this dislike 'em, but in the end they use them to make them money.

Offline Newbiecake

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1126
  • Country: ca
  • Reputation Power: 15
  • Newbiecake is a Blue Crawler starting to think about his first run.Newbiecake is a Blue Crawler starting to think about his first run.Newbiecake is a Blue Crawler starting to think about his first run.
  • Pursuing.
  • Awards: Slice of Elements 7th Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 3rd Birthday CakeSlice of Elements 2nd Birthday CakeWeekly Tournament WinnerFG Deck-Designer - Adaptation
Re: When the Oracle gives you a card, which ones should you skip? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28686.msg367060#msg367060
« Reply #21 on: July 16, 2011, 04:59:03 pm »
AI doesn't know how to use adrenaline is the thing, it only plays one and stops at that
Check the behavior of Serket. Or did I get ninja'ed already? I didn't read all the posts.
Tasted the world, seen more than enough.

TeamBftw

  • Guest
Re: When the Oracle gives you a card, which ones should you skip? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28686.msg367071#msg367071
« Reply #22 on: July 16, 2011, 05:41:28 pm »
i know rules are made to be broken, and the exception proves the rule, etc . . .

 . . . but my fog shield deck has done better then any other deck I've made, currently 48 and 3, rank 8 gold league.  I'm not writing to brag, the deck is your standard evil SNrainbow, but it does work.  And I've seen a bunch of similar decks rank high with tower shield as their oracle card, and at least one mono black do very well with dusk shield as the oracle card.

Hat

  • Guest
Re: When the Oracle gives you a card, which ones should you skip? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28686.msg367225#msg367225
« Reply #23 on: July 17, 2011, 12:01:02 am »
I wonder if anybody could make a good deck based on stone skin.

 

blarg: