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Re: nilsieboy (water) 2 - 1 ascabi44 (sub for kevkev)(fire) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16032.msg205615#msg205615
« Reply #48 on: November 20, 2010, 10:31:45 pm »
Sorry, morningstar, that was not my intent. It has been changed.

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« Reply #49 on: November 20, 2010, 10:38:35 pm »
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Something for ddevans to consider with the desync. Does this happen often involving nilsieboy? If yes, then it's a bit suspicious. If no, the only thing you can do is let it go this time.
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Please PM if this has happened to you, and I will forward it along to the proper 'authorities'.
Really, this is a dirty trick from you. Expecially since all the time Nilsie had a desync he got a disadvantage from that. >__>
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« Reply #50 on: November 20, 2010, 10:41:34 pm »
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Something for ddevans to consider with the desync. Does this happen often involving nilsieboy? If yes, then it's a bit suspicious. If no, the only thing you can do is let it go this time.
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Really, this is a dirty trick from you. Expecially since all the time Nilsie had a desync he got a disadvantage from that. >__>
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if you wanna do something like that shouldn't ddevan do it?
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Re: nilsieboy (water) 2 - 1 ascabi44 (sub for kevkev)(fire) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16032.msg205633#msg205633
« Reply #51 on: November 20, 2010, 10:50:28 pm »
ddevans is busy with WAR stuff. This issue goes beyond WAR and into all PVP events. If you have done nothing wrong, then there's nothing to be worried about.

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Re: nilsieboy (water) 2 - 1 ascabi44 (sub for kevkev)(fire) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16032.msg205635#msg205635
« Reply #52 on: November 20, 2010, 10:54:33 pm »
ddevans is busy with WAR stuff. This issue goes beyond WAR and into all PVP events. If you have done nothing wrong, then there's nothing to be worried about.
What we (I'm part of nils's brain, live with it.) are pissed about is this crusade against the evil general of water, who was advantaged against team fire with a desync, not even caused by him.
Nilsieboy is an aggressive player on desyncs, but those usually put him at a disadvantage.

What should team earth do? A crusade against team fire because they were defeated by a glitch?

Really, as I said some time ago, "Let's bury this argument deep, and never exhume it."
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« Reply #53 on: November 20, 2010, 10:57:00 pm »
ddevans is busy with WAR stuff. This issue goes beyond WAR and into all PVP events. If you have done nothing wrong, then there's nothing to be worried about.
What we (I'm part of nils's brain, live with it.) are pissed about is this crusade against the evil general of water, who was advantaged against team fire with a desync, not even caused by him.
Nilsieboy is an aggressive player on desyncs, but those usually put him at a disadvantage.

What should team earth do? A crusade against team fire because they were defeated by a glitch?

Really, as I said some time ago, "Let's bury this argument deep, and never exhume it."
first of all, yes raving is a part of my brain.
but are you going to do this against everyone?
it's a game man and look the trouble you make of it...
act like a man ;)
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« Reply #54 on: November 20, 2010, 11:01:47 pm »
I knew this match was going to get up all this drama. >_>
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Re: nilsieboy (water) 2 - 1 ascabi44 (sub for kevkev)(fire) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16032.msg205654#msg205654
« Reply #55 on: November 20, 2010, 11:10:24 pm »
@nilsieboy & The dictatory:: your insults are not appreciated... however with the round 5 posted.. I will also be busy focusing on that.

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Re: nilsieboy (water) 2 - 1 ascabi44 (sub for kevkev)(fire) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16032.msg205656#msg205656
« Reply #56 on: November 20, 2010, 11:11:10 pm »
Whether or not nilsieboy purposely avoided meeting kevkev, we need to do something about this kind of situation for future incidents.  Decks designed to be played by Generals and Lts. can be utterly craptastic if you have to play them unupped.  I'm of the opinion that kev's deck is much worse unupgraded.  The deck doesn't have enough quanta generation to play the first Phoenix much less to power Fractal Phoenixes (the whole deck hinges on the ability to get a Phoenix out as fast as possible so you can start Immolating and Fractaling). 

So because people can take advantage of downgraded decks used by subs, we need to do something to keep this from happening again.  It seems the simplest solution would be to allow subs to play with the exact deck listed.  This way you don't have to try to hash out motives and circumstances for every incident.  Also, this gives Generals/Lts. a little more breathing space to deal with real life.

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« Reply #57 on: November 20, 2010, 11:14:12 pm »
Good idea Dragoon. You should put that in War Suggestions and Feedback.

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« Reply #58 on: November 21, 2010, 03:44:38 am »
Interesting situation. I have decided to step in and fix this.

Reading at the comments from objective veteran players, especially the testimony by jmdt, it's clear that kevkev was present when their match was supposed to happen but nilsieboy wasn't. For me, this is a big thing. It's not always easy to organize matches during those 3 days, and if one person doesn't show up during that one time that both agreed to be there, all future "flip-a-coin" decisions will be made against the person who didn't show up. There has to be a "penalty" for not showing up and wasting the time of others.

What makes it interesting is that not only nilsieboy didn't apologize for not showing up, but he is even denying the whole thing happening and telling a totally different story of how he somehow was "in the other room". The problem is that it contradicts what others are saying. In other words, it's a lie.

The fact that nielsieboy used upped cards while :fire replacement couldn't, is pretty ridiculous. Had both used unupped cards, I might have been happy with the result, but the fact that team :fire was basically penalized for nielsieboy not showing up when agreed, is something I feel I need to fix if I want to look at myself in the mirror in the morning.

ddevans is not to blame here because this situation was unique, and there isn't really any guidelines for Warmasters on how to deal with this. I should probably write some detailed guidelines so that we can avoid this kind of thing happening again.

About this screenshot: http://d.imagehost.org/0792/water_match.jpg . I don't know how much after the desync it was taken, but looking at the screenshot, it's highly likely that team :fire would have won. So it is possible that team :fire might have been robbed of a victory they deserved, but since we can never know for certain, it doesn't matter. All that matters is that nilsieboy didn't show up when agreed, and later "modified the truth" about that. That's all the proof I need really.

Part of me would like to give team :fire the win, but since there is always some doubt on what really happened and what would have happened, I will give both teams a chance.


Here's what's going to happen:

- The duel will be fought again using the same exact decks
- both players can use 6 upped cards
- any member of team :fire can substitute AND use those 6 upped cards (because kevkev already showed up once)
- team :water uses default substitution rules
- winner cannot salvage any cards (because round 5 opponents have been posted already)

You need to finish this match before round 5 deckbuilding ends, preferably at least 24 hours before it does, to give the losing team time to discard.

Needless to say that if mysterious desyncs happen, I advice both parties to take screenshots. We will use those screenshots to pick a winner if we have to.

This matter has now been resolved. Further discussion, while allowed, will not make any difference. It's up to Elemental Gods now to decide who gets a better hand and wins. Good luck to both.

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Re: nilsieboy (water) 2 - 1 ascabi44 (sub for kevkev)(fire) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16032.msg205823#msg205823
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