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Elements the Game => Battle Results => War Archive => War => Events and Competitions => Round 4 => Topic started by: nilsieboy on November 20, 2010, 04:38:14 pm
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this were really epic matches.
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gained my trident really late and when i drawed it he already had enough damage for the kill
round 2:
fast trident and a few pendulums for him locked him down and he surrendered
round 3:
both a normal draw wich was really a great match, used my bolts on his ashes wich he immolated for the fire quanta and the shield froze the rest. after that i killed him with last 2 bolts.
great games
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this were really epic matches.
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gained my trident really late and when i drawed it he already had enough damage for the kill
round 2:
fast trident and a few pendulums for him locked him down and he surrendered
round 3:
both a normal draw wich was really a great match, used my bolts on his ashes wich he immolated for the fire quanta and the shield froze the rest. after that i killed him with last 2 bolts.
great games
Come crawling crawlers faster! Obey your master general!
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Seems convenient to show up later than your appointed time.. when you knew that he couldn't play after that.
That is sad.... :(
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Seems convenient to show up later than your appointed time.. when you knew that he couldn't play after that.
That is sad.... :(
Nils was there, in the other chatroom.
And your deck worked probably way better without upgrades.
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kevkev was waiting for most of the eastern tournament for nislie or anyone on team water that is.
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kevkev was waiting for most of the eastern tournament for nislie or anyone on team water that is.
^ This.
Kevkev was actually asking everybody, before and during the tournament, if they saw Nils because they were expected to duel each other. Kevkev made an awesome effort to get a hold of Nils, or any other member of Team Water.
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Unlucky me, logging into chat at the wrong time... :(
Anyways, I tried to negotiate better conditions for the match but ddevans said no, so I felt I'd rather play then give water the auto- win.
Nothing to add to the matches, except maybe that we had a game which ended in desynch and I was in a clear wining position.
http://d.imagehost.org/view/0792/water_match
Oh well, desync happens and its always a rematch. If it is the rule then it is, no real complaitns here.
GG, nils.
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Unlucky me, logging into chat at the wrong time... :(
Anyways, I tried to negotiate better conditions for the match but ddevans said no, so I feld I'd rather play then give water the auto- loss.
Nothing to add to the matches, except maybe that we had a game which ended in desynch and I was in a clear wining position.
http://d.imagehost.org/view/0792/water_match
Oh well, desync happens and its always a rematch.
GG, nils.
you were already fighting the cpu there....
we desynced when i had 45 hp
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you were already fighting the cpu there....
we desynced when i had 45 hp
true, I made the screenshot 1 turn later, but based on your deck, I see no way you could've won.
Anyways, I'm not complainig, desync is part of the game, and it is a remach everytime. :)
Plus, the odds were clearly in your favor so it's naural you won
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So that's why fire was campaigning so hard to keep their upgrades.
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So that's why fire was campaigning so hard to keep their upgrades.
And they were sooooo wrong about that.
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with that screeny in a tournament i would have prolly given acs the win.
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Nilsieboy had asked me to substitute, I said no. Majofa is our substitute and if kev didn't ask him to do so it was for a reason.
nilsie, you knew that was wrong of you to do, there had been a ruling. You don't try to sneak by it.
I don't know the full details of the situation but I am not pleased with the first impression.
You won a match but lost a fan. I wonder what Essence would've done...
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Nilsieboy had asked me to substitute, I said no. Majofa is our substitute and if kev didn't ask him to do so it was for a reason.
nilsie, you knew that was wrong of you to do, there had been a ruling. You don't try to sneak by it.
I don't know the full details of the situation but I am not pleased with the first impression.
You won a match but lost a fan. I wonder what Essence would've done...
Ddevans changed his mind, and let nilsie play.
It also looks like nils was there, ready to play, this morning, at eastern tourney time.
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I overturned the ruling because there wasn't enough evidence to not allow team :water to play. nilsie had been waiting for hours.
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It also looks like nils was there, ready to play, this morning, at eastern tourney time.
I'm saying this, as a witness, that Nils was not there during the start of the East tournament, and kevkev was.
I said I was going to ignore this, but I am willing to stand as a witness.
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It also looks like nils was there, ready to play, this morning, at eastern tourney time.
I'm saying this, as a witness, that Nils was not there during the start of the East tournament, and kevkev was.
I said I was going to ignore this, but I am willing to stand as a witness.
He was there to watch the finals.
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He was there to watch the finals.
It doesn't matter if he was there to watch the finals, kevkev said he couldn't get on that late.
[02:24:37 PM] kevkev60614 [»] nilsieboy: nils, it's not that difficult. i gave the times i'm available, you gave the times you're available. we overlap in exactly one
[02:24:47 PM] kevkev60614 [»] nilsieboy: spot. so we're playing at Eastern Tourney start.
[02:25:24 PM] nilsieboy [»] kevkev60614: yea but i just hope i can make it
[02:25:58 PM] kevkev60614 [»] nilsieboy: why wouldn't you be able to make it?
[02:26:31 PM] nilsieboy [»] nilsieboy: going that night to movie with friends
[02:26:38 PM] nilsieboy [»] nilsieboy: really early time for me
[02:28:19 PM] nilsieboy [»] kevkev60614: late movie and really early
[02:28:26 PM] kevkev60614 [»] nilsieboy: nils, at the very beginning of this conversation you said you were available "saturday from eastern tourney time to 22:00"
[02:31:05 PM] kevkev60614 [»] kevkev60614: it's not convenient for either of us, but as it's the only possibility for both of us I'm going to arrange my schedule around
[02:31:10 PM] kevkev60614 [»] nilsieboy: meeting you at that time. ok?
[02:31:13 PM] nilsieboy: chat freeze again
[02:31:20 PM] kevkev60614 [»] nilsieboy: it's not convenient for either of us, but as it's the only possibility for both of us I'm going to arrange my schedule around
[02:31:24 PM] kevkev60614 [»] nilsieboy: meeting you at that time. ok?
[02:31:27 PM] nilsieboy [»] kevkev60614: yea i thaught after (because i see you a lot in tourneys to)
[02:31:32 PM] nilsieboy [»] kevkev60614: but i'll gues i have to now...
[02:31:49 PM] nilsieboy [»] kevkev60614: a sub will kill the team
[02:31:59 PM] nilsieboy [»] kevkev60614: so gues i'll have to change things -,-"
[02:32:26 PM] kevkev60614 [»] nilsieboy: sorry, bro. if you find another time that works for both of us, lemme know and I'll rearrange my schedule.
[02:32:34 PM] kevkev60614 [»] nilsieboy: best of luck to you.
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I overturned the ruling because there wasn't enough evidence to not allow team :water to play. nilsie had been waiting for hours.
Define "waiting for hours"... As has been stated before, majofa was online at a time that nilsieboy was on at night. I was in the chat room and considered talking to majofa about our 12 Lives event match but I was too tired to think.
majofa, upon doing minimal research, one will realize is the "Substitute" of Team Fire. With nilsieboy wanting to someone to substitute for his match, even asking me, I wonder why he didn't make any attempts to speak with majofa.
I read some sort of side of his story, saying that he was waiting forever, and that Water is already doing pretty badly. I don't know, I see lots of screenshots and chat scripts coming from Team Fire, and not much from Team Water.
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He was there to watch the finals.
It doesn't matter if he was there to watch the finals, kevkev said he couldn't get on that late.
[02:24:37 PM] kevkev60614 [»] nilsieboy: nils, it's not that difficult. i gave the times i'm available, you gave the times you're available. we overlap in exactly one
[02:24:47 PM] kevkev60614 [»] nilsieboy: spot. so we're playing at Eastern Tourney start.
[02:25:24 PM] nilsieboy [»] kevkev60614: yea but i just hope i can make it
[02:25:58 PM] kevkev60614 [»] nilsieboy: why wouldn't you be able to make it?
[02:26:31 PM] nilsieboy [»] nilsieboy: going that night to movie with friends
[02:26:38 PM] nilsieboy [»] nilsieboy: really early time for me
[02:28:19 PM] nilsieboy [»] kevkev60614: late movie and really early
[02:28:26 PM] kevkev60614 [»] nilsieboy: nils, at the very beginning of this conversation you said you were available "saturday from eastern tourney time to 22:00"
[02:31:05 PM] kevkev60614 [»] kevkev60614: it's not convenient for either of us, but as it's the only possibility for both of us I'm going to arrange my schedule around
[02:31:10 PM] kevkev60614 [»] nilsieboy: meeting you at that time. ok?
[02:31:13 PM] nilsieboy: chat freeze again
[02:31:20 PM] kevkev60614 [»] nilsieboy: it's not convenient for either of us, but as it's the only possibility for both of us I'm going to arrange my schedule around
[02:31:24 PM] kevkev60614 [»] nilsieboy: meeting you at that time. ok?
[02:31:27 PM] nilsieboy [»] kevkev60614: yea i thaught after (because i see you a lot in tourneys to)
[02:31:32 PM] nilsieboy [»] kevkev60614: but i'll gues i have to now...
[02:31:49 PM] nilsieboy [»] kevkev60614: a sub will kill the team
[02:31:59 PM] nilsieboy [»] kevkev60614: so gues i'll have to change things -,-"
[02:32:26 PM] kevkev60614 [»] nilsieboy: sorry, bro. if you find another time that works for both of us, lemme know and I'll rearrange my schedule.
[02:32:34 PM] kevkev60614 [»] nilsieboy: best of luck to you.
i was in general rom because kev said there to that i couldn't play in tourney with our matches ;).
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I overturned the ruling because there wasn't enough evidence to not allow team :water to play. nilsie had been waiting for hours.
Define "waiting for hours"... As has been stated before, majofa was online at a time that nilsieboy was on at night. I was in the chat room and considered talking to majofa about our 12 Lives event match but I was too tired to think.
majofa, upon doing minimal research, one will realize is the "Substitute" of Team Fire. With nilsieboy wanting to someone to substitute for his match, even asking me, I wonder why he didn't make any attempts to speak with majofa.
I read some sort of side of his story, saying that he was waiting forever, and that Water is already doing pretty badly. I don't know, I see lots of screenshots and chat scripts coming from Team Fire, and not much from Team Water.
and i like i said before, i had a movie and party so had to go there ;).
and i've been online for more then 8 hours waiting for kev or another player.
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"Had to go to a movie and a party" sounds like rough times, rough times, and you couldn't reschedule either?
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"Had to go to a movie and a party" sounds like rough times, rough times, and you couldn't reschedule either?
kev had no other times, and he didn't want to sub ;)
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kev had no other times, and he didn't want to sub ;)
That sounds a lot like you as well, actually.
Regardless, I highly doubt the decision can be changed in this case. While kevkev did wait for a long while before, and Nils did wait a long while after, they just couldn't find a time to match up, and this fell in Water's favor. At this point, let's wish Water and Fire good luck in the War and move on.
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kev had no other times, and he didn't want to sub ;)
That sounds a lot like you as well, actually.
Regardless, I highly doubt the decision can be changed in this case. While kevkev did wait for a long while before, and Nils did wait a long while after, they just couldn't find a time to match up, and this fell in Water's favor. At this point, let's wish Water and Fire good luck in the War and move on.
i had almost this entire day and other days about 4-5 hours and that's not a lot...?
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Wait, so they chose ONE time, and Nilsie didn't show up. Then in the times where kev could not play, nilsie expects him to use a sub without the upgrades. Sounds like a pretty clear fire victory here.
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Wait, so they chose ONE time, and Nilsie didn't show up. Then in the times where kev could not play, nilsie expects him to use a sub without the upgrades. Sounds like a pretty clear fire victory here.
Not using upgrades actually helped fire.
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Oh, it did? But still, Kev and Nilsie could have played at ONE time only, nilsie was not there. I'll leave the rest to ddevans.
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Oh, it did? But still, Kev and Nilsie could have played at ONE time only, nilsie was not there. I'll leave the rest to ddevans.
And Nilsie was there.
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That's not what everyone else said? I heard kev was searching for and could not find nilsie, no?
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Its sad to see such discussions and accusations just because of availability problems and misunderstandings. The screenshot ascabi provided, deserves a win tho. My 2 cents.
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That's not what everyone else said? I heard kev was searching for and could not find nilsie, no?
Nilsie said that he was on (and for that, he only slept two hours.)
And still,
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Oh, it did? But still, Kev and Nilsie could have played at ONE time only, nilsie was not there. I'll leave the rest to ddevans.
I made my decision. Match stands as is. Anyone who has a problem with that ruling, PM me directly. No more discussion on this thread.
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Since we can't discuss the debatable win by Water...
Don't hate; appreciate.
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Great job remembering to use ";" though. :)
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Since we can't discuss the debatable win by Water...
Don't hate; appreciate.
<Copyright Dragoon1140>
Great job remembering to use ";" though. :)
Lookattheedit
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Will anybody from team Fire post losing deck, even half an hour after deadline?
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Will anybody from team Fire post losing deck, even half an hour after deadline?
Deck has been posted on page 1 for quite a while.
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Will anybody from team Fire post losing deck, even half an hour after deadline?
Deck has been posted on page 1 for quite a while.
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Oh, right.
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Really, how couldn't I see it.
>__>
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Wow, I missed a bunch of action while at the football game today.
This is quite franky a sad turn of events, regardless of the teams involved. Since I'm the only one that has full knowlege of all the events beforehand, I'll add some commentary here regardless the consequences.
Kev and Nilsie have very different time zones to deal with. Kev gave every time he was available to Nilsie and said after that he was leaving on vacation and could not play. After delibaration they found the only time they could both play was at the Eastern tournament time. Kev was there a good 15 minutes before the the start of the eastern tournament looking for eastern tourney members. Kev went back and forth between the rooms for almost an hour an a half, before he had to finally leave to prepare for his flight. Nilsie didn't come on chat until an hour after Kev left, 2 hours after the time they both scheduled a match. I know Nilsie knew the correct time for the match, I personally confirmed the match time with RR.
The fact that Nilsie skipped the match knowing Kev couldn't play after and then played off like he was waiting for fire the whole time does not sit well with me. If Nilsie was really worried about the match, he should have mentioned it while 3 separate :fire members were in chat last night when he arrived. I hold no ill will toward Nilsie or :water, but when a specific time is agreed to between 2 generals, with the knowlege that there is no other available time to play and one team does not honor this time, I don't see how some penalty can not apply here. If kev were the one to bail on the match, then I could understand the current consequences, but :fire was penalized for following the rules.
kev will be most disturbed when he sees these results.
jmdt
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In light of all the evidence presented (including by those not on team fire/water)... hopefully ddevans has what he needs to make a final decision on this match.
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What am I supposed to do? I give team :fire the win when it seems obvious that they should get it. I go to sleep, wake up, and there's evidence that goes against them. Team :water has been waiting in chat for hours for a sub. I allow a game, then we get accusations of forced desyncs and a boat load of arguing.
*sigh*
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What am I supposed to do? I give team :fire the win when it seems obvious that they should get it. I go to sleep, wake up, and there's evidence that goes against them. Team :water has been waiting in chat for hours for a sub. I allow a game, then we get accusations of forced desyncs and a boat load of arguing.
*sigh*
Let tit be.
Team Fire will not lose the war for this, and Team Water won't win the war for this.
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W, then we get accusations of forced desyncs
If you mean me, then I in no way am accusing of forced desync.
I just pointed out that there were a desync where I seemed to win. It happens.
Other than that, I let go of the topic. It's out of my hands and I'm focusing on round 5.
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W, then we get accusations of forced desyncs
If you mean me, then I in no way am accusing of forced desync.
I just pointed out that there were a desync where I seemed to win. It happens.
Other than that, I let go of the topic. It's out of my hands and I'm focusing on round 5.
i wanna do the same and that screen was about 2/3 turns AFTER the desync so illigal.
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Something for ddevans to consider with the desync. Does this happen often involving team water? If yes, then it's a bit suspicious. If no, the only thing you can do is let it go this time.
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Something for ddevans to consider with the desync. Does this happen often involving team water? If yes, then it's a bit suspicious. If no, the only thing you can do is let it go this time.
1st desync this war. That advantages us.
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Something for ddevans to consider with the desync. Does this happen often involving nilsieboy? If yes, then it's a bit suspicious. If no, the only thing you can do is let it go this time.
(yellow was changed by me)
Please PM if this has happened to you, and I will forward it along to the proper 'authorities'.
<<<All PMs will remain anonymous>>>
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Something for ddevans to consider with the desync. Does this happen often involving nilsieboy? If yes, then it's a bit suspicious. If no, the only thing you can do is let it go this time.
Please PM if this has happened to you, and I will forward it along to the proper 'authorities'.
NOT what I was getting at, so please don't modify my quote like that. It appears that your accusing me of saying it.
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Sorry, morningstar, that was not my intent. It has been changed.
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Something for ddevans to consider with the desync. Does this happen often involving nilsieboy? If yes, then it's a bit suspicious. If no, the only thing you can do is let it go this time.
(yellow was changed by me)
Please PM if this has happened to you, and I will forward it along to the proper 'authorities'.
Really, this is a dirty trick from you. Expecially since all the time Nilsie had a desync he got a disadvantage from that. >__>
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Something for ddevans to consider with the desync. Does this happen often involving nilsieboy? If yes, then it's a bit suspicious. If no, the only thing you can do is let it go this time.
(yellow was changed by me)
Please PM if this has happened to you, and I will forward it along to the proper 'authorities'.
Really, this is a dirty trick from you. Expecially since all the time Nilsie had a desync he got a disadvantage from that. >__>
raving, there will always be sad people on this planet ;).
if you wanna do something like that shouldn't ddevan do it?
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ddevans is busy with WAR stuff. This issue goes beyond WAR and into all PVP events. If you have done nothing wrong, then there's nothing to be worried about.
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ddevans is busy with WAR stuff. This issue goes beyond WAR and into all PVP events. If you have done nothing wrong, then there's nothing to be worried about.
What we (I'm part of nils's brain, live with it.) are pissed about is this crusade against the evil general of water, who was advantaged against team fire with a desync, not even caused by him.
Nilsieboy is an aggressive player on desyncs, but those usually put him at a disadvantage.
What should team earth do? A crusade against team fire because they were defeated by a glitch?
Really, as I said some time ago, "Let's bury this argument deep, and never exhume it."
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ddevans is busy with WAR stuff. This issue goes beyond WAR and into all PVP events. If you have done nothing wrong, then there's nothing to be worried about.
What we (I'm part of nils's brain, live with it.) are pissed about is this crusade against the evil general of water, who was advantaged against team fire with a desync, not even caused by him.
Nilsieboy is an aggressive player on desyncs, but those usually put him at a disadvantage.
What should team earth do? A crusade against team fire because they were defeated by a glitch?
Really, as I said some time ago, "Let's bury this argument deep, and never exhume it."
first of all, yes raving is a part of my brain.
but are you going to do this against everyone?
it's a game man and look the trouble you make of it...
act like a man ;)
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I knew this match was going to get up all this drama. >_>
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@nilsieboy & The dictatory:: your insults are not appreciated... however with the round 5 posted.. I will also be busy focusing on that.
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Whether or not nilsieboy purposely avoided meeting kevkev, we need to do something about this kind of situation for future incidents. Decks designed to be played by Generals and Lts. can be utterly craptastic if you have to play them unupped. I'm of the opinion that kev's deck is much worse unupgraded. The deck doesn't have enough quanta generation to play the first Phoenix much less to power Fractal Phoenixes (the whole deck hinges on the ability to get a Phoenix out as fast as possible so you can start Immolating and Fractaling).
So because people can take advantage of downgraded decks used by subs, we need to do something to keep this from happening again. It seems the simplest solution would be to allow subs to play with the exact deck listed. This way you don't have to try to hash out motives and circumstances for every incident. Also, this gives Generals/Lts. a little more breathing space to deal with real life.
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Good idea Dragoon. You should put that in War Suggestions and Feedback.
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Interesting situation. I have decided to step in and fix this.
Reading at the comments from objective veteran players, especially the testimony by jmdt, it's clear that kevkev was present when their match was supposed to happen but nilsieboy wasn't. For me, this is a big thing. It's not always easy to organize matches during those 3 days, and if one person doesn't show up during that one time that both agreed to be there, all future "flip-a-coin" decisions will be made against the person who didn't show up. There has to be a "penalty" for not showing up and wasting the time of others.
What makes it interesting is that not only nilsieboy didn't apologize for not showing up, but he is even denying the whole thing happening and telling a totally different story of how he somehow was "in the other room". The problem is that it contradicts what others are saying. In other words, it's a lie.
The fact that nielsieboy used upped cards while :fire replacement couldn't, is pretty ridiculous. Had both used unupped cards, I might have been happy with the result, but the fact that team :fire was basically penalized for nielsieboy not showing up when agreed, is something I feel I need to fix if I want to look at myself in the mirror in the morning.
ddevans is not to blame here because this situation was unique, and there isn't really any guidelines for Warmasters on how to deal with this. I should probably write some detailed guidelines so that we can avoid this kind of thing happening again.
About this screenshot: http://d.imagehost.org/0792/water_match.jpg . I don't know how much after the desync it was taken, but looking at the screenshot, it's highly likely that team :fire would have won. So it is possible that team :fire might have been robbed of a victory they deserved, but since we can never know for certain, it doesn't matter. All that matters is that nilsieboy didn't show up when agreed, and later "modified the truth" about that. That's all the proof I need really.
Part of me would like to give team :fire the win, but since there is always some doubt on what really happened and what would have happened, I will give both teams a chance.
Here's what's going to happen:
- The duel will be fought again using the same exact decks
- both players can use 6 upped cards
- any member of team :fire can substitute AND use those 6 upped cards (because kevkev already showed up once)
- team :water uses default substitution rules
- winner cannot salvage any cards (because round 5 opponents have been posted already)
You need to finish this match before round 5 deckbuilding ends, preferably at least 24 hours before it does, to give the losing team time to discard.
Needless to say that if mysterious desyncs happen, I advice both parties to take screenshots. We will use those screenshots to pick a winner if we have to.
This matter has now been resolved. Further discussion, while allowed, will not make any difference. It's up to Elemental Gods now to decide who gets a better hand and wins. Good luck to both.
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i think you mean the God of RNG? (I call him Gorgon Von Schlichenbacher)
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It looks fire does take a heavy toll from not having upped cards, fractal phoenix doesn't really work without upped phoenixes.
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And your deck worked probably way better without upgrades.
we'll see about that now wont we?
It looks fire does take a heavy toll from not having upped cards, fractal phoenix doesn't really work without upped phoenixes.
SG ruled it as re-game with General bonus intact so both can still play using the original decklist no matter whos actually the one playing (hence my comment above)
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was just about to post about that kobis...
Nilsie's deck was mainly focused on destroying all our pillars, so fractalling 2 cost creatures is much, much easier and efficient than 7 cost creatures.
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nils, as you are the only player from Team Water who can use 6 upped cards, please find any Team Fire player with six upped phoenixes and play against him. I'm looking forward to getting this whole ordeal behind us.
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I can duel if kevkev's not there to duel nilsie.
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so WE can't use upgrades now :o.
btw i think this'd be even better because minor phoenixes are weak against permafrost.
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so WE can't use upgrades now :o.
btw i think this'd be even better because minor phoenixes are weak against permafrost.
You can use upgrades as long as you fight the battle, is my understanding. And I can assure you, that is what everyone on team :fire wants. nilsie and I recently completed a 12 lives match-up where we were able to find a time; if no one else on :fire can meet with you ASAP (like, the next 12-18 hours or so), I'm more than willing to find another time with you. I am not 100% comfortable stepping in for kevkev since I'm not a prominent member of the elements community that I know he trusts, but if no one else can meet you, I'm sure we can find the time. We don't want either team to be out a victory because of scheduling, we just want the match done right.
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