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Re: Elements Hierarchy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20101.msg257105#msg257105
« Reply #24 on: January 25, 2011, 07:29:43 pm »
I´m sorry but i find that your saying of Aether being shown as false lacks the actual impression of it being "Officially" proven false. I´ve searched many times for information on Aether and i´ve many articles made from different people that have conducted experiments based on their knowledge of space in order to proove that Aether does exist.
And most of their articles state things based on theri experiments such as, that Aether is a medium that pervades space, it is the building block of all matter etc. based on what i gather thats pretty much = space 
At least there´s that much but i can´t find anything based on "Aether being Officially classifed as a false concept".
If u know of a page where Aether has been officially classified as false, please link me.
End of Aether (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminiferous_aether#End_of_aether.3F)

Basically, aether is the medium through which light propagates. It defines a single universal reference frame that everything else moves through. The theory of special relativity shows this idea of a single universal reference frame to be false. Light moves at the same speed in all reference frames.

Additionally, experiments performed to try and measure the difference at opposite times of the year (when the difference in the earth's velocity through the aether would be about 40 miles/second) never measured any difference in the speed.


Entropy, if used in the terms of chaos, has to be the top because it started the universe.

If you want to say it is a specific property of thermodynamics, than maybe you can argue it is lower.
I'm not sure what you mean when you say that chaos started the universe. Would you care to elaborate a little?

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I guess you could argue that Time would be first, but what is Time when nothing exists? Time is a measure and if there is nothing to measure what are you left with?
I guess I was just thinking that time still exists even if there is nothing to measure, it just doesn't do much.

:darkness > anything else. Darkness is absolute absence of any existing form. It requires no other element to exist, under any circumstances. The lack of existence is the true form of Darkness.
That's a bit more poetic of a definition of Darkness then I was thinking of, but we could use it.

But it seems to me that something that's defined as "a lack of something" requires something to exist before it has any meaning.

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I don't think that we necessarily have to have just one final ranking if we don't agree. For example we could have 1 ranking where aether=space and another where aether=light medium.

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Re: Elements Hierarchy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20101.msg257142#msg257142
« Reply #25 on: January 25, 2011, 08:25:34 pm »
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Basically, aether is the medium through which light propagates. It defines a single universal reference frame that everything else moves through. The theory of special relativity shows this idea of a single universal reference frame to be false. Light moves at the same speed in all reference frames.

Additionally, experiments performed to try and measure the difference at opposite times of the year (when the difference in the earth's velocity through the aether would be about 40 miles/second) never measured any difference in the speed.

that doesn´t neccesarily mean its false, the scientific community just didn´t accept the concept because to them, it didn´t apply/didn´t have a place in the development of future physics.
(especially that wikipedia is completely editable and cannot be regarded as "official" information since its information coming from other sources or the author´s knowledge, i need official information)
 

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Re: Elements Hierarchy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20101.msg257164#msg257164
« Reply #26 on: January 25, 2011, 08:51:29 pm »
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Basically, aether is the medium through which light propagates. It defines a single universal reference frame that everything else moves through. The theory of special relativity shows this idea of a single universal reference frame to be false. Light moves at the same speed in all reference frames.

Additionally, experiments performed to try and measure the difference at opposite times of the year (when the difference in the earth's velocity through the aether would be about 40 miles/second) never measured any difference in the speed.

that doesn´t neccesarily mean its false, the scientific community just didn´t accept the concept because to them, it didn´t apply/didn´t have a place in the development of future physics.
(especially that wikipedia is completely editable and cannot be regarded as "official" information since its information coming from other sources or the author´s knowledge, i need official information)
The idea of a universal reference frame has been shown to be false. Seeing as that idea is the entirety of the aether concept, I would think that shows aether is false.

And if you don't like wikipedia article, go to the sources that it uses.

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Re: Elements Hierarchy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20101.msg257346#msg257346
« Reply #27 on: January 25, 2011, 11:55:33 pm »
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Basically, aether is the medium through which light propagates. It defines a single universal reference frame that everything else moves through. The theory of special relativity shows this idea of a single universal reference frame to be false. Light moves at the same speed in all reference frames.

Additionally, experiments performed to try and measure the difference at opposite times of the year (when the difference in the earth's velocity through the aether would be about 40 miles/second) never measured any difference in the speed.

that doesn´t neccesarily mean its false, the scientific community just didn´t accept the concept because to them, it didn´t apply/didn´t have a place in the development of future physics.
(especially that wikipedia is completely editable and cannot be regarded as "official" information since its information coming from other sources or the author´s knowledge, i need official information)
The idea of a universal reference frame has been shown to be false. Seeing as that idea is the entirety of the aether concept, I would think that shows aether is false.

And if you don't like wikipedia article, go to the sources that it uses.
the idea of Aether was accepted in the 19th century, at first it was accepted until the 20th, but from what i read in the wiki article, Aether hasn´t necessarily been proven false, it was just said that it wasn´t compatible with Aether taking a form/being edited due to the matter that occupies it, which is why it hasn´t been supported by other members of the scientific community, this is coming from what i read in the article you linked me.
but in conclusion i still believe there´s a chance Aether does exist according to experiments that other people have taken/are taking in order to support the theory
such as this person
Energy, Gravity and the Aether (http://keelynet.com/davidson/npap1.htm)
i guess we all have our own opinions on the matter, so i won´t discuss this any further.

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Re: Elements Hierarchy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20101.msg257407#msg257407
« Reply #28 on: January 26, 2011, 01:15:31 am »
Darkness beats gravity because "dark" or invisible particles are what create mass to begin with.
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Darkness beats Gravity because Darkness absorbs everything. So its gravitation is supposed to be higher than Gravity itself.
How exactly does :darkness absorb :gravity? Gravity is a force so I fail to see how it can be absorbed by something.
I didn't say that :darkness absorbs :gravity. I just said about black hole rule. Black hole is made from darkness. And isn't gravitation of black hole higher than other gravitations in universe? In other words, the gravitation of black hole beats all :gravity.
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Re: Elements Hierarchy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20101.msg257422#msg257422
« Reply #29 on: January 26, 2011, 01:34:15 am »
A black hole is a collapsed star. It simply absorbs particles that transmit light. It's not real darkness.
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Re: Elements Hierarchy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20101.msg257443#msg257443
« Reply #30 on: January 26, 2011, 01:58:41 am »
Exactly. The darkness is a by product of the extreme gravity.

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Re: Elements Hierarchy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20101.msg257445#msg257445
« Reply #31 on: January 26, 2011, 01:59:20 am »
A black hole is a collapsed star. It simply absorbs particles that transmit light. It's not real darkness.
Then what's the real darkness? Can I say, shadow?
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Re: Elements Hierarchy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20101.msg257450#msg257450
« Reply #32 on: January 26, 2011, 02:01:45 am »
Real Darkness isn't even an existing thing. Darkness has no form. It's the absence of matter.
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Re: Elements Hierarchy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20101.msg257451#msg257451
« Reply #33 on: January 26, 2011, 02:02:04 am »
Darkness is the absence of light. A black hole actually has massive amounts of light in it, however, that light cannot escape the gravitational pull.
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Re: Elements Hierarchy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20101.msg257480#msg257480
« Reply #34 on: January 26, 2011, 02:25:14 am »
Darkness is the absence of everything. people just don't seem to want to accept that, it seems.

If you took all the matter and all the light out of the universe, you would have Darkness. Or to put it more accurately, a VOID.
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Re: Elements Hierarchy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20101.msg257490#msg257490
« Reply #35 on: January 26, 2011, 02:33:52 am »
Darkness is the absence of everything. people just don't seem to want to accept that, it seems.

If you took all the matter and all the light out of the universe, you would have Darkness. Or to put it more accurately, a VOID.
I don't think darkness is the absence of matter. Only the absence of light. You go into a cave and say "Man, it's dark in here!", but that doesn't mean that there's nothing there.

Basically void is dark, but dark isn't necessarily void. It doesn't go both ways.

 

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