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Round 5 / Re: (Time) bjessee 3 - (Water) Lt. Jappert 2
« on: November 13, 2011, 07:46:22 am »
Is this where I go to find the porn?
[02:38:06] Jappert: btw
[02:38:16] Jappert: I said I would post screenies of my war match
[02:38:19] Jappert: and so I did
[02:38:36] Jappert: uneditted with all my war chat info and PvP chat info in it...
[02:38:46] Jappert: along with some porn ofc
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Round 5 / (Earth) bogtro (subbed by kirchj33) 3 - (Entropy) Gumbeh 2
« on: November 13, 2011, 06:29:11 am »
Reversebow vs. Anti-earth CC bow
Game 1:
RT's/eternity kept me ahead most of the game. A nightmared lycan on his side meant I got to make the game quicker by spending all of my extra entropy quanta
1-0.Game 2:
Everything went according to plan for him in game 2. I got off to a nice fast start, but a turn 1 fog slowed me down a bit. That being said, I think I hit through about 8/9 at first. Then things screeched to a halt for me and fog did its job. I had to do some serious calculations with rewinds and figure out how to keep his stuff at bay. I had 2 turns to ping through fog for his remaining 14 HP with 3 damage sources, but it wasn't meant to be. His last turn he BE'd my fog shield and topdecked damage for the final blow. 1-1.
Game 3:
Things went even better for him this time. Turn 2 fog, Chaos seeds killed/PU'd, BE/deflag meant ouchie. This one wasn't much of a contest because fog shield blocked ALL the damage. 1-2.
Game 4:
I pulled a deflag so I felt better since the score was currently: Fog 2 - Counterdeck 1. He nightmared early on so I had some decent damage on the table, but was left with a clogged hand and no quanta to play a deflag if fog came. In the end, he never drew it and the rest was history. 2-2.
Game 5:
My deck finally worked optimally as designed. Turn 1 warden meant I could play all the nice goodies I had in my hand uninhibited. Had a nice time quanta draw and an early eternity + grabbies. I think I had his board locked by turn 4 or 5. Eventually I drew 2 RTs/backup eternity and a lightning + deflag with quanta to use them all so I knew the game would easily be mine. He made a late push where he pooped his entire hand revealing some yet unseen adrenaline. I was able to rewind/kill everything and win after this desperate attempt. 3-2.
bogtro was unable to make it since he had been out of town all weekend + had no internet or something. I decided to sub when I saw he was hoping to schedule his match after the deadline.
Great games Gumbeh. You really had me sweating and played your deck to its fullest and like a true champeen. Good luck to the ponies going forward.
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Round 5 / Re: (Darkness) Kuroaitou 3 - (Earth) annamall 1
« on: November 12, 2011, 11:46:55 pm »
I've made some bad decisions this war, but this one was definitely the dumbest one I've made. Sorry Maul.
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Round 5 / Re: (Life) Lt. ak65ala 3 - 2 (Darkness) Gen. Theonlyrealbeef
« on: November 12, 2011, 11:22:36 pm »
Exciting report to read. Well played Ak!
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Round 5 / (Earth) Gen. kirchj33 3 - (Air) Pervepic 2 (sub for Bat Country)
« on: November 12, 2011, 10:10:05 pm »
Pulvybow vs. Grabbies w/ a Gas Problem
Game 1:
Good draw for me, didn't get much quanta for rainbow stuffs but I didn't really need it. Rushed him down. He showed a late steal, letting me know that he had a fair bit of PC this round. I knew I needed to play for speed over control. I hit through fog quite a bit the last couple of turns. 1-0.
Game 2:
Total fail draw for me. Had all this CC in hand but no quanta to play it with. Stared at stuffs while it pinged my health down turn by turn while I drew no rainbow quanta. 1-1.
Game 3:
Better draw. Drew a nice balance of control/damage etc. I don't remember much of what happened here, but I think I drew enough CC to make it a really comfortable win. 2-1.
Game 4:
Good draw on both sides. It started off really even until he made an epic move halfway through. He played an air nymph the turn after I had lighning'd a grabby and then stole my pulvy. I had no way to stop him from pooping UG all over my face. 2-2.
Game 5:
Said a little prayer to the RNG goddess here and then did a little dance when I saw I had an opening hand that there was pretty much no way for him to recover from. I was able to play a turn 1 golem + forest spirit and a turn 2 Pulvy to deal with his freshly played fog shield. Followed by a turn 3 golem. His turn 3 Air Nymph and Grabby came much too late for my early damage. I continued to pile on with another couple of grabbies of my own before winning in 6 turns. 3-2.
Kind of surprised this deck hasn't lost yet for us, since it is so subject to lulzy draws, but it is nice to see its variants keep on trucking.
Great games Perve. It was a lot of fun and you got my heart racing. Good luck to you and Team Air the rest of war.
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Round 5 / Re: (Earth) MartyrX 3 vs. (Water) Daguerreo 1
« on: November 12, 2011, 06:52:46 am »
Martyr is so pro. I couldn't even beat the AI> half the time when I tested this deck. I had a lot of hesitation when I assigned it, but Sevs is OP and assured me it would be ok.
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Earth / Re: Team Chat Records Backup
« on: November 10, 2011, 05:06:00 pm »
11/10/11 Update
NEW CHAT: http://teamearth.titanpad.com/1
Priorities:
1. Test CCC's deck at 32 cards (6 lightning)
2. Balance Darkness Duo for Marty @ 3 Gargs/6 golems remember upped vamp dagger
3. Build some deck for bogtro
4. Balance Vault
@ Mith in the strategy section it says entropy has 14 antimatter is that right?
Yes, they really do have 14 Antimatters in their vault and they didn't use a single one the previous round.
Possible converting fodder
1 Liquid Shadow
2 Hourglass
I dont see us running a water duo any time soon
3 toadfish
3 artic squid
As good as they are they dont have a use in our vault
2 Azure Dragon
Possible Salvage discard changes
changing the salvage to a time pillar and time pend instead of 2 eternity
Salvaing in the darkness deck, if we take fractal and change the salvage in the immo rush to save 2-3 gnomes, then we have the possibility to run 2x whole world. could be pretty valuable
If we took some Light Pends from the Water deck would we be able to run some of those along with some Stone Pillars in The Immortal, or would that set off quanta balance too much? It would help with our Pend issue as well as provide for some quanta diversity for the future
Antientropy decks
We are pretty much forced to go with a bow here, because we dont have the SS or Titanium shields for Death stall. our best anti entropy grabbows are
My suggestion is something like this 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vl 4vl 4vl 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58q 590 590 590 590 590 590 593 593 5f6 5og 61q 61q 6u3 74f 74f 8pj
http://helltgivre.free.fr/elements/?deck=z44vjz24vlz558o58qz5590z15935f65ogz161q6u3z174f8pj
4sa 4sa 4sa 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 58o 58o 58o 58o 58q 590 590 590 596 5aa 5aa 5aa 5f6 5og 5rk 5rk 5rk 5ro 5ro 61q 77g 77g 77g 8ps
Lastly what about the event card we need to send the PM before the deadline.
do we want to send the decks we consider most valuable honor and the less risky ones as betrayel
To kirchj: I suggest posting in the thread "
will be choosing all betrayal this round. As such, your only logical action is clearly to choose honor, so you get less discard when you inevitably lose. That is all".
I would say Betray on all, Tbh we dont really gain much from salvaging more as most decks are based off card that dont work with earth. and it would deal more damage when we win. and we plan on winning more than we lose. their loss is > than our gain.
Testing Ready for:
CCC vs. Life
Marty vs. Water
Maul vs. Dawkness
War 4 Intel Googledoc: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AprBQuUifY8mdDg0Y05SeUU1LUdnVl9UQXJOVXBzV0E&hl=en_US&pli=1#gid=1
Tentative Decks:
Bogtro vs. Gumbeh (entropy) - War 3 Deathstall
52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52q 52q 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 594 594 594 594 595 595 595 595 595 718 77c 77c 8pk
I would consider swapping the deadly poison for an upped stone pillar
[19:44:14] MatrimKK [ยป] bogtro: Entropy looks forward to facing their friends at with honor *salutes* best of luck this round mate
CCC vs. willng3 (Life gen.) - PUGons
58r 58r 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 61q 61q 61q 61q 61r 61r 61r 61r 61t 61t 61t 61t 6rk 77b 77b 8pu
Consider making it 32 cards...
58r 58r 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 61q 61q 61q 61q 61q 61q 61r 61r 61r 61r 61t 61t 61t 61t 6rk 77b 77b 8pu
6 lightnings is very important to an adrenstave matchup
Maul vs. Kuroaitou - 37 card Immortal
58o 58o 58o 594 594 594 594 594 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5li 5li 5li 5li 5lm 5lm 5lm 5lm 5lm 5lm 77c 77c 77c 8pq
Ave vs. Majofa (Light gen.) - Whole World
58r 58u 58u 58u 58u 594 594 596 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 61o 61o 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 622 622 622 622 63a 77a 78q 78q 8pu
kirch vs. Bat Country (Air) - Devonian Dragons
593 593 593 593 593 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5rm 5rm 5rm 5ro 5ro 5ro 77g 77g 77g 77g 77g 77g 78q 78q 78q 8ps
This is pretty much a guarenteed loss vs. their UG/wings/dims stall... Would have to either stall them or run a pulvy bow to beat that. That being said, I don't think we will see it because of SS/pulvy threat, but we might see some rush + wings + spiders.
Round 5 is up! http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,33433.0.html
Embrace your opponent + their vault and master them both.
Matchups: - I'd really like to figure out where we can win with 90% confidence first, then do the other matches
bogtro vs. Gumbeh (Entropy)
So thus far after hard countering people, they have changed styles the following round. I think we could stand to gain ground by staring them straight in the face of what they played us with last round. War 3 Deathstall tested well vs. entropy all along, I'm not scared to lose that deck and it was brought pretty much to function as mainly an entropy counter. If not now, then when?
Avenger vs. Gen. Majofa (Light)
I think a good in depth analysis of their vault at this point could result in a win for us. Although I wouldn't discount some trick up their sleeve.
defintely agreed with above statement we really have to look at their salavage and winning decks the last few rounds to make a decision.
They brought a ton of deflags as well as won with 2 decks with either titans or deflags. I would not use dims this round.
Possible decks to test titansaders, angel lightning, dim fractal angels, and the rage angels zeru played.
157 cards in vault
MartyrX vs. Daguerro (Water)
Still a scary matchup because their vault counters ours well.
use steals or deflags not pulvy and hard CC like lightnings or rage pots.
^ i guess the only deck that falls under that category is a grabbow. which sounds like a good option
I actually really like the Raging Golems deck here as I was thinking about it today
Can we test something like this 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4vj 4vj 4vj 58o 58o 58o 590 590 590 590 590 590 591 595 595 595 5aa 5aa 5f6 5f6 5og 61q 61q 77a 7t9 7t9 8pm
Gen. kirchj33 vs. BatCountry (Air)
Problematic matchup will make this one tough for us. Hopefully my extra speed/ups can give us the edge we need here.
I havent looked into it yet but how does a whole world style deckout sound? 6 SS 6 Dims no dragons sounds aweful, only because I hate deckerslol ok point taken I just feel it is going to be hard to beat adrenastaves without rewinds, which uses up our graboids. and
AnnaMall vs. Kuroaitou (Darkness)
They have a few really dangerous decks left that can be scary for us to have to counter. We need to be careful and not lose any of our best decks here.
214 Cards Played in Round 4
184 Left in vault (123 carryovers)
Won with: Grabbow (30), BH/Gargs (30), NotP (31)
Lost with: PU/LSGons (33), Grabbow (30), Devtal (30), Gimped NotP (30)
Beat CCbow (UW), Momentum/Accelerationbow (Gravy), Entropy/Air Duo (Air)
5 Matches scheduled (4 against officers + ours): Earth, Air Lt., Death Lt., Entropy Gen., Life Lt.
Sevs vs. Jaymanfu (Death)
Yikes. Other than scary matches vs. Water/Air/Entropy, this one might be the one I am most worried about. I (RNG) steered you wrong in round 4, I will likely leave this one up to Sevs to do some advanced analysis and dedicate himself to beating death's vault.
I was thinking some sort of wings rush. They have poison and dragons but i think they will opt for someting immortal proof. EQ something or fractal drags
Either wings
I think with the resources in the vault we have 3 choices
Grabbow straight rush with a few momentums, will have trouble against their grabbow
A grabbow with wings whether off the mark
A fire based grabbow with CC and minor phoenixs and deflags
The last 2 could also be made duos but would be much more vulnerable to EQ's and their rush.
CCCombobreaker vs. Gen. willng3 (Life)
They're likely screwed at this point... it will be important to figure something out by analyzing their vault/last rounds' matches that results in a can't lose situation.
131 Cards Played in Round 4
103 Left in Vault (40 carryovers from winning decks)
Won with: Firestall (40)
Lost with: Adrenosaders (32), Adrenadishole (30), OE/Wings duo (31)
Beat Peggy/Archangel Duo (Light)
3 Matches Scheduled: Earth, Darkness Gen., Death
Common PvP sense says they will run their rainbow vs. Darkness, but they haven't really followed common PvP sense thus far in war, hence the last place record.
If we go PUGons do we need to make it bigger in case of flying adrenastaves?
32 Card Prototype: 58r 58r 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 61q 61q 61q 61q 61q 61r 61r 61r 61r 61t 61t 61t 61t 6rk 77b 77b 8pu
Lt. Mithcarion vs. TheManuz (Time)
Modded Firestall:592 592 594 594 594 594 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f7 5f7 5fb 5fb 5fb 5fb 5fb 77c 77c 78q 78q 78q 7dk 8po
Using this would put us at -25 Earth Pends for the round, way too much to be converted with two decks still to come. I will start working on something else.
I wouldn't be suprised to see some hard counter from them at this point. Their attempts to bring weak counters have failed.
I believe running a pulvybow might be a mistake this round, but I will have to see how one with 2x cloaks does in testing. I'm still scared of their fire duo and GnG (with our without quakes)
I think the key is to not overthink it at this point they are going to have to use some unlikely decks from the salvages because their original strong decks are starting to get depleted. Make a few potential decks and test against those as well along with some of their stronger decks
Gng, mini IGT, fire duo, grabbow, momo. The others were all made as counters to certain decks they expected in round 1 and i dont see them using something similar against us.
My 2 cents, I think they might abandon the control understandong we bring puvy or 4 cards of PC every round against them, I have a feeling they go for a pc-less deck outrushing us. - grabbow, fire duo, gng.
Having looked back at who they run that fire duo against, in Round 3 they brought it against Aether (known for Dim Shields and Arsenic via Bonebolt) and Gravity in Round 4(who abused them the previous round with Pulvies the same way we did). Considering that we're the only other team to show the ability/propensity to use massive PC on them, the Fire Duo is very, very likely for us to face this round. I modded our firestall to be able to deal with it (-2 SS, +2 PA) and a PA'd Diamond Shield is essentially GG vs. that deck. I know our vault is strained for Pends right now, but I'm putting it through it's testing paces anyhow.
Event Card:
Teams must secretly choose one of the following Event Cards for each player (i.e. several players could choose one card and others can choose the second) and PM their choices to Warmasters. All choices will be made public when the Battle Phase begins.
Choices:
Honor or Betrayal
If...
Both players choose honor, 6 salvage and 24 discard
Both players betray, 0 salvage and 30 discard
The honorable player defeats the betrayer, 3 salvage and 21 discard
The betrayer defeats the honorable player, 9 salvage and 27 discard
Math-wise, there is no advantage to choosing either way.
Assuming an opposing team knows that we play betrayal, their logical play to maximize their vault is to choose honor, which helps us. Unless they decide to screw us over and choose betrayal.
This works te other way around too, if we know a team is playing betrayal then our only logical play is honor, unless we want to sacrifice our salvage to add to their discard, which seems dumb.
If we expect a win, then honor is better IMO, 3+6>0+9, we don't have the need to risk anything being in 2nd.
However if we expect a loss, betrayal is probably better. 27 and 30 are basicaly the same thing in terms of discard: we lose the deck either way. however 21 discard might be low enough to save the deck, while 24 is unlikely to hold the deck. 21+30>24+27 if we call 27 and 30 basically the same thing.
Individual Strategies.
next round i am advising we dont use BB against Entropy Life Air or UW
Entropy
We must go hard cc from here on out. unless we pair it with Gravioty shield We have plenty of lightning and rage pots we should use then after all mono entropy has every creature with 5HP
2 deck choices for next round,
1: Earth gravity if we have the cards BB + gravioty shield + pulvy + BH They use too many rainbows to not try
2: Something with 6 lightning whether mono earth with lightnings off the mark or lightnign grabboids.
Time
I like the idea of using cloaks and steals next round. we have to watch that fire duo but testing is in order
Air
If we dont use the gravity duo in the entropy matchup we should use it here just without BH's
UW
Bring the BH's I think it is safe to say they wont be using too many monos
Life
-103 vault
40 are this firestall http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,33275.0.html
which is really a firestall + mito dragons
Against these EQ seems good... but it is a general which enables wild quanta base... (and all war they have been doing WILD splits)
They have seen our PU dragons and Firestall. I like our firestall against them but they threaten heals and jade shield (not for sure.. but it would be bad). They have only 1 known deflag (I assume there would be more than 1 in their stall if they had more than one). So a perm heavy deck is likely safe, like PU gons. Since PUGons is not vulnerable to a hard counter (jade + heals) I like it better.
Known deck:
5c2 5c2 5c2 5c3 5c3 5c3 5c9 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5f0 5f0 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f6 5f7 5f7 5fb 5fb 5fb 5fb 7ad 7ad 7ad 7bu 7bu 7bu 7bu 7dg 7dg 8po
Other likely deck based off last rounds "keeps":
5c3 5c3 5c5 5c5 5c5 5c7 5c7 5c7 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5oi 5oi 5oi 5oi 5ol 5oo 5oo 5oo 7ak 7bu 7bu 7bu 7bu 7bu 7bu 7bu 7n5 8pr
Possible DISCO threat:
4vl 4vl 4vl 4vl 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bt 5c5 5c5 5c7 5c7 5c9 5c9 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 7ad 7ad 7aj 7aj 7n2 7n2 7n2 7n2 7n2 8pj
Worst case for PUGons: disco to mess you up and a possible splash of PC
4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vl 4vl 4vl 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bt 5bt 5c9 5c9 5oi 74f 77j 7ae 7ag 7ah 7dm 7dm 7q4 7t9 8pj
Their other matches are darkness and death. In our testing Firestall is often a good option againt darkness (except devtal... which is a really good play by darkness against a team that is probably out of novas), and they play against dark's general. This is the likely suicide target if they have to.
The adrenastaves deck seems good for them to use against death... but adrenaline is a double edge sword of tearing down bonewalls and dying really fast to plague. The firestall is also effective here as it has some heals to counter poison, can run a -2 shield to block unupped arsen, and has the potential to deck a rush or OTK a stall.
Adrena-DruidSaders
5x pillar
4x druid staff
4x adren
2x mito
6x pend
1x light pillar
3x sanct
1x light pend
3x sader
3x flying weap
DISCOBOW
5x nova
4x disco
1x EQ
3x flying weap
6x pend
5x adren
2x BH
DRAGON WINGS
2x pillar
11x pend
3x dragon
4x frog
3x wings
4x OE
2x flying weapon
2x jade shield
NEW CHAT: http://teamearth.titanpad.com/1
Priorities:
1. Test CCC's deck at 32 cards (6 lightning)
2. Balance Darkness Duo for Marty @ 3 Gargs/6 golems remember upped vamp dagger
3. Build some deck for bogtro
4. Balance Vault
@ Mith in the strategy section it says entropy has 14 antimatter is that right?
Yes, they really do have 14 Antimatters in their vault and they didn't use a single one the previous round.
Possible converting fodder
1 Liquid Shadow
2 Hourglass
I dont see us running a water duo any time soon
3 toadfish
3 artic squid
As good as they are they dont have a use in our vault
2 Azure Dragon
Possible Salvage discard changes
changing the salvage to a time pillar and time pend instead of 2 eternity
Salvaing in the darkness deck, if we take fractal and change the salvage in the immo rush to save 2-3 gnomes, then we have the possibility to run 2x whole world. could be pretty valuable
If we took some Light Pends from the Water deck would we be able to run some of those along with some Stone Pillars in The Immortal, or would that set off quanta balance too much? It would help with our Pend issue as well as provide for some quanta diversity for the future
Antientropy decks
We are pretty much forced to go with a bow here, because we dont have the SS or Titanium shields for Death stall. our best anti entropy grabbows are
My suggestion is something like this 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vl 4vl 4vl 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58q 590 590 590 590 590 590 593 593 5f6 5og 61q 61q 6u3 74f 74f 8pj
http://helltgivre.free.fr/elements/?deck=z44vjz24vlz558o58qz5590z15935f65ogz161q6u3z174f8pj
4sa 4sa 4sa 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 58o 58o 58o 58o 58q 590 590 590 596 5aa 5aa 5aa 5f6 5og 5rk 5rk 5rk 5ro 5ro 61q 77g 77g 77g 8ps
Lastly what about the event card we need to send the PM before the deadline.
do we want to send the decks we consider most valuable honor and the less risky ones as betrayel
To kirchj: I suggest posting in the thread "
will be choosing all betrayal this round. As such, your only logical action is clearly to choose honor, so you get less discard when you inevitably lose. That is all".I would say Betray on all, Tbh we dont really gain much from salvaging more as most decks are based off card that dont work with earth. and it would deal more damage when we win. and we plan on winning more than we lose. their loss is > than our gain.
Testing Ready for:
CCC vs. Life
Marty vs. Water
Maul vs. Dawkness
War 4 Intel Googledoc: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AprBQuUifY8mdDg0Y05SeUU1LUdnVl9UQXJOVXBzV0E&hl=en_US&pli=1#gid=1
Tentative Decks:
Bogtro vs. Gumbeh (entropy) - War 3 Deathstall
52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52q 52q 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 594 594 594 594 595 595 595 595 595 718 77c 77c 8pk
I would consider swapping the deadly poison for an upped stone pillar
[19:44:14] MatrimKK [ยป] bogtro: Entropy looks forward to facing their friends at with honor *salutes* best of luck this round mate
CCC vs. willng3 (Life gen.) - PUGons
58r 58r 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 61q 61q 61q 61q 61r 61r 61r 61r 61t 61t 61t 61t 6rk 77b 77b 8pu
Consider making it 32 cards...
58r 58r 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 61q 61q 61q 61q 61q 61q 61r 61r 61r 61r 61t 61t 61t 61t 6rk 77b 77b 8pu
6 lightnings is very important to an adrenstave matchup
Maul vs. Kuroaitou - 37 card Immortal
58o 58o 58o 594 594 594 594 594 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5li 5li 5li 5li 5lm 5lm 5lm 5lm 5lm 5lm 77c 77c 77c 8pq
Ave vs. Majofa (Light gen.) - Whole World
58r 58u 58u 58u 58u 594 594 596 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 61o 61o 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 622 622 622 622 63a 77a 78q 78q 8pu
kirch vs. Bat Country (Air) - Devonian Dragons
593 593 593 593 593 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5rm 5rm 5rm 5ro 5ro 5ro 77g 77g 77g 77g 77g 77g 78q 78q 78q 8ps
This is pretty much a guarenteed loss vs. their UG/wings/dims stall... Would have to either stall them or run a pulvy bow to beat that. That being said, I don't think we will see it because of SS/pulvy threat, but we might see some rush + wings + spiders.
Round 5 is up! http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,33433.0.html
Embrace your opponent + their vault and master them both.
Matchups: - I'd really like to figure out where we can win with 90% confidence first, then do the other matches
bogtro vs. Gumbeh (Entropy)
So thus far after hard countering people, they have changed styles the following round. I think we could stand to gain ground by staring them straight in the face of what they played us with last round. War 3 Deathstall tested well vs. entropy all along, I'm not scared to lose that deck and it was brought pretty much to function as mainly an entropy counter. If not now, then when?
Avenger vs. Gen. Majofa (Light)
I think a good in depth analysis of their vault at this point could result in a win for us. Although I wouldn't discount some trick up their sleeve.
defintely agreed with above statement we really have to look at their salavage and winning decks the last few rounds to make a decision.
They brought a ton of deflags as well as won with 2 decks with either titans or deflags. I would not use dims this round.
Possible decks to test titansaders, angel lightning, dim fractal angels, and the rage angels zeru played.
157 cards in vault
MartyrX vs. Daguerro (Water)
Still a scary matchup because their vault counters ours well.
use steals or deflags not pulvy and hard CC like lightnings or rage pots.
^ i guess the only deck that falls under that category is a grabbow. which sounds like a good option
I actually really like the Raging Golems deck here as I was thinking about it today
Can we test something like this 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4vj 4vj 4vj 58o 58o 58o 590 590 590 590 590 590 591 595 595 595 5aa 5aa 5f6 5f6 5og 61q 61q 77a 7t9 7t9 8pm
Gen. kirchj33 vs. BatCountry (Air)
Problematic matchup will make this one tough for us. Hopefully my extra speed/ups can give us the edge we need here.
I havent looked into it yet but how does a whole world style deckout sound? 6 SS 6 Dims no dragons sounds aweful, only because I hate deckerslol ok point taken I just feel it is going to be hard to beat adrenastaves without rewinds, which uses up our graboids. and
AnnaMall vs. Kuroaitou (Darkness)
They have a few really dangerous decks left that can be scary for us to have to counter. We need to be careful and not lose any of our best decks here.
214 Cards Played in Round 4
184 Left in vault (123 carryovers)
Won with: Grabbow (30), BH/Gargs (30), NotP (31)
Lost with: PU/LSGons (33), Grabbow (30), Devtal (30), Gimped NotP (30)
Beat CCbow (UW), Momentum/Accelerationbow (Gravy), Entropy/Air Duo (Air)
5 Matches scheduled (4 against officers + ours): Earth, Air Lt., Death Lt., Entropy Gen., Life Lt.
Sevs vs. Jaymanfu (Death)
Yikes. Other than scary matches vs. Water/Air/Entropy, this one might be the one I am most worried about. I (RNG) steered you wrong in round 4, I will likely leave this one up to Sevs to do some advanced analysis and dedicate himself to beating death's vault.
I was thinking some sort of wings rush. They have poison and dragons but i think they will opt for someting immortal proof. EQ something or fractal drags
Either wings
I think with the resources in the vault we have 3 choices
Grabbow straight rush with a few momentums, will have trouble against their grabbow
A grabbow with wings whether off the mark
A fire based grabbow with CC and minor phoenixs and deflags
The last 2 could also be made duos but would be much more vulnerable to EQ's and their rush.
CCCombobreaker vs. Gen. willng3 (Life)
They're likely screwed at this point... it will be important to figure something out by analyzing their vault/last rounds' matches that results in a can't lose situation.
131 Cards Played in Round 4
103 Left in Vault (40 carryovers from winning decks)
Won with: Firestall (40)
Lost with: Adrenosaders (32), Adrenadishole (30), OE/Wings duo (31)
Beat Peggy/Archangel Duo (Light)
3 Matches Scheduled: Earth, Darkness Gen., Death
Common PvP sense says they will run their rainbow vs. Darkness, but they haven't really followed common PvP sense thus far in war, hence the last place record.
If we go PUGons do we need to make it bigger in case of flying adrenastaves?
32 Card Prototype: 58r 58r 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 61q 61q 61q 61q 61q 61r 61r 61r 61r 61t 61t 61t 61t 6rk 77b 77b 8pu
Lt. Mithcarion vs. TheManuz (Time)
Modded Firestall:592 592 594 594 594 594 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f7 5f7 5fb 5fb 5fb 5fb 5fb 77c 77c 78q 78q 78q 7dk 8po
Using this would put us at -25 Earth Pends for the round, way too much to be converted with two decks still to come. I will start working on something else.
I wouldn't be suprised to see some hard counter from them at this point. Their attempts to bring weak counters have failed.
I believe running a pulvybow might be a mistake this round, but I will have to see how one with 2x cloaks does in testing. I'm still scared of their fire duo and GnG (with our without quakes)
I think the key is to not overthink it at this point they are going to have to use some unlikely decks from the salvages because their original strong decks are starting to get depleted. Make a few potential decks and test against those as well along with some of their stronger decks
Gng, mini IGT, fire duo, grabbow, momo. The others were all made as counters to certain decks they expected in round 1 and i dont see them using something similar against us.
My 2 cents, I think they might abandon the control understandong we bring puvy or 4 cards of PC every round against them, I have a feeling they go for a pc-less deck outrushing us. - grabbow, fire duo, gng.
Having looked back at who they run that fire duo against, in Round 3 they brought it against Aether (known for Dim Shields and Arsenic via Bonebolt) and Gravity in Round 4(who abused them the previous round with Pulvies the same way we did). Considering that we're the only other team to show the ability/propensity to use massive PC on them, the Fire Duo is very, very likely for us to face this round. I modded our firestall to be able to deal with it (-2 SS, +2 PA) and a PA'd Diamond Shield is essentially GG vs. that deck. I know our vault is strained for Pends right now, but I'm putting it through it's testing paces anyhow.
Event Card:
Teams must secretly choose one of the following Event Cards for each player (i.e. several players could choose one card and others can choose the second) and PM their choices to Warmasters. All choices will be made public when the Battle Phase begins.
Choices:
Honor or Betrayal
If...
Both players choose honor, 6 salvage and 24 discard
Both players betray, 0 salvage and 30 discard
The honorable player defeats the betrayer, 3 salvage and 21 discard
The betrayer defeats the honorable player, 9 salvage and 27 discard
Math-wise, there is no advantage to choosing either way.
Assuming an opposing team knows that we play betrayal, their logical play to maximize their vault is to choose honor, which helps us. Unless they decide to screw us over and choose betrayal.
This works te other way around too, if we know a team is playing betrayal then our only logical play is honor, unless we want to sacrifice our salvage to add to their discard, which seems dumb.
If we expect a win, then honor is better IMO, 3+6>0+9, we don't have the need to risk anything being in 2nd.
However if we expect a loss, betrayal is probably better. 27 and 30 are basicaly the same thing in terms of discard: we lose the deck either way. however 21 discard might be low enough to save the deck, while 24 is unlikely to hold the deck. 21+30>24+27 if we call 27 and 30 basically the same thing.
Individual Strategies.
next round i am advising we dont use BB against Entropy Life Air or UW
Entropy
We must go hard cc from here on out. unless we pair it with Gravioty shield We have plenty of lightning and rage pots we should use then after all mono entropy has every creature with 5HP
2 deck choices for next round,
1: Earth gravity if we have the cards BB + gravioty shield + pulvy + BH They use too many rainbows to not try
2: Something with 6 lightning whether mono earth with lightnings off the mark or lightnign grabboids.
Time
I like the idea of using cloaks and steals next round. we have to watch that fire duo but testing is in order
Air
If we dont use the gravity duo in the entropy matchup we should use it here just without BH's
UW
Bring the BH's I think it is safe to say they wont be using too many monos
Life
-103 vault
40 are this firestall http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,33275.0.html
which is really a firestall + mito dragons
Against these EQ seems good... but it is a general which enables wild quanta base... (and all war they have been doing WILD splits)
They have seen our PU dragons and Firestall. I like our firestall against them but they threaten heals and jade shield (not for sure.. but it would be bad). They have only 1 known deflag (I assume there would be more than 1 in their stall if they had more than one). So a perm heavy deck is likely safe, like PU gons. Since PUGons is not vulnerable to a hard counter (jade + heals) I like it better.
Known deck:
5c2 5c2 5c2 5c3 5c3 5c3 5c9 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5f0 5f0 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f6 5f7 5f7 5fb 5fb 5fb 5fb 7ad 7ad 7ad 7bu 7bu 7bu 7bu 7dg 7dg 8po
Other likely deck based off last rounds "keeps":
5c3 5c3 5c5 5c5 5c5 5c7 5c7 5c7 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5oi 5oi 5oi 5oi 5ol 5oo 5oo 5oo 7ak 7bu 7bu 7bu 7bu 7bu 7bu 7bu 7n5 8pr
Possible DISCO threat:
4vl 4vl 4vl 4vl 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bt 5c5 5c5 5c7 5c7 5c9 5c9 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 7ad 7ad 7aj 7aj 7n2 7n2 7n2 7n2 7n2 8pj
Worst case for PUGons: disco to mess you up and a possible splash of PC
4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vl 4vl 4vl 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bt 5bt 5c9 5c9 5oi 74f 77j 7ae 7ag 7ah 7dm 7dm 7q4 7t9 8pj
Their other matches are darkness and death. In our testing Firestall is often a good option againt darkness (except devtal... which is a really good play by darkness against a team that is probably out of novas), and they play against dark's general. This is the likely suicide target if they have to.
The adrenastaves deck seems good for them to use against death... but adrenaline is a double edge sword of tearing down bonewalls and dying really fast to plague. The firestall is also effective here as it has some heals to counter poison, can run a -2 shield to block unupped arsen, and has the potential to deck a rush or OTK a stall.
Adrena-DruidSaders
5x pillar
4x druid staff
4x adren
2x mito
6x pend
1x light pillar
3x sanct
1x light pend
3x sader
3x flying weap
DISCOBOW
5x nova
4x disco
1x EQ
3x flying weap
6x pend
5x adren
2x BH
DRAGON WINGS
2x pillar
11x pend
3x dragon
4x frog
3x wings
4x OE
2x flying weapon
2x jade shield
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Round 4 / Re: (Earth) Lt. Mithcairion 3 - (Aether) markilleruk 1
« on: November 06, 2011, 07:49:14 pm »Earth deck almost could be a UW deck <_<Haha yeah. They could easily sub steel golems in for upped grabbies and get after it!
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Round 4 / Re: (Entropy) Gumbeh 0 - (Aether) hainkarga 0
« on: November 06, 2011, 05:32:08 pm »
Hmm. Great theoretical counter if you hadn't tripped over your own feet. Very nice.
I say we do the good sportsmanship thing and chalk this win up for Aether
I say we do the good sportsmanship thing and chalk this win up for Aether
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Round 4 / Re: (Earth) Lt. Mithcairion 3 - (Aether) markilleruk 1
« on: November 06, 2011, 03:48:57 pm »You may not have expected it, but it looks like Higs was prepared for the very deck we brought and RNG shined on us today. Really pro playing by both players this game. Good luck to Lady Aether and her crew moving forward.The games were closer than we expected, especially seeing the dead steal card in your deck.Yeah the steal was supposed to be upped but was not due to a mix up :/ Could have changed the result of a game or two assuming Mith didn't have another pulv in hand. Pulv was unexpected to be sure.
You played extremely well, Mark, you brough the maximum out of this deck.
You gave us shivers, especially with your perfect rush draw at 1-1.