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Re: Should all cards be created equally? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8203.msg93968#msg93968
« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2010, 05:38:05 am »
The cards should be balanced or at least close to balanced.

Cards should not be only relatively balanced 1 on 1 but also taking element into consideration.
There should be no strictly better cards (with the exception of unupped vs upped). Strictly better would require the same element.
Certain elements should be better and worse at certain things. Having easier access to Air cards should make up the difference between Fog Shield and Dusk Shield (not that it does now of course :) )

In the end the sum of the following should be roughly balance from card to card IMHO
Element Type
Quanta Cost
Card Type
Card Effect
Synergies
Rarity
Number Allowed in Decks
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Re: Should all cards be created equally? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8203.msg93991#msg93991
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2010, 06:12:20 am »
Upgraded cards should be considered in the same "class" as regular ones. For instance, upped oty's have more health, so they cost more. Upped hope comes with an extra point of defense, so it costs more. Some cards require their upped version to cost less because there is no other way to improve the card. Steal is a good example. Making the upped version steal two permanents at once would be a little OP, so the cost is reduced instead. Plate armor and heavy armor break the rules of balance. Both cost 1 quanta, but heavy armor gives 3 more health. If it were to be balanced, heavy armor would cost two. Vampire dagger costs more than the stiletto, and it has improved stats.

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Re: Should all cards be created equally? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8203.msg94062#msg94062
« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2010, 09:55:08 am »
The vital difference between Yugioh and Elements is that Yugioh has to have different kinds of deck restrictions because of the omg-wtf game exploiting stuff that they can never take back and Elements allows you to freely use any card—with the exception of Pillars—up to 6 times. So, every card in Elements generally has to have a balanced and not overpowering feature that would rise against all others, in my opinion. Although, some Elements are way, way, way more rounded than the rest and I think that needs'a fixin'.

But, more so than having that kind of balance, I think cards from certain Elements should have abilities that do not contrast so heavily with the element it came from and compliment it in it's own unique way without colliding too much with existing abilities in separate elements.

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Re: Should all cards be created equally? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8203.msg94078#msg94078
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2010, 11:20:18 am »
I have just written a long post on this in another forum. Go look here:
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,8257.0.html

It is my opinion that we need more cards that are not immediately OP, but are more situational and depend on the deck/opponent/board position.

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Re: Should all cards be created equally? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8203.msg94774#msg94774
« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2010, 01:39:42 am »
I think cards should at least be usable in multiple decks. If a card is made that only has one use, which it doesn't do very well, then it shouldn't be made.

Cremation specific, yet very good. Purify, can save you, not very used though, kind of put there so that people don't think poison is OP.

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Re: Should all cards be created equally? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8203.msg94843#msg94843
« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2010, 04:02:53 am »
I agree that all cards cannot and should not be perfectly balanced.

Currently, there are quite a few cards in the game that are very powerful (Graboid, Cremation, Supernova) but are not incredibly game-breaking. The only card that is that broken right now is Fractal, simply because it allows you to spam any type of creature you wish (Namely quanta-generating ones, so that you can then Fractal Dragons or some other good attacker) so that it's impossible to control without numerous renewable control sources (EE, Otyugh), Fire Buckler, or enough mass control to take care of your targets.

So, Fractal needs to be fixed.
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Re: Should all cards be created equally? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8203.msg94853#msg94853
« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2010, 04:29:23 am »
i voted no because air should be created by higher standards :P
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Re: Should all cards be created equally? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8203.msg94859#msg94859
« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2010, 04:48:15 am »
An example of three very similar cards from three different elements that are each tweaked to fit into the element to which they belong:

  • :earth - Elite Antlion - 4|4 w/ burrow for 2 :earth
  • :gravity - Graviton Guard - 3|5 for 2 :gravity
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Re: Should all cards be created equally? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8203.msg94907#msg94907
« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2010, 06:57:40 am »
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Re: Should all cards be cremated equally? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8203.msg95093#msg95093
« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2010, 03:12:46 pm »
I have to say yes and no on this one. Yes, all creatures should be cremated equally, but not the spells, because how do you want to cremate a spell anyway? The card could use a slight nerf though imo.
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Re: Should all cards be cremated equally? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8203.msg95098#msg95098
« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2010, 03:18:15 pm »
I have to say yes and no on this one. Yes, all creatures should be cremated equally, but not the spells, because how do you want to cremate a spell anyway? The card could use a slight nerf though imo.
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Re: Should all cards be created equally? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=8203.msg95101#msg95101
« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2010, 03:27:59 pm »
I have to say yes and no on this one. Yes, all creatures should be cremated equally, but not the spells, because how do you want to cremate a spell anyway? The card could use a slight nerf though imo.
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