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Re: Wording of Voodoo Doll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19120.msg257069#msg257069
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2011, 06:26:29 pm »
Unfortunately this wording does not fit "Summon a copy of the target creature. Apply all effects that has been done to original creature also to the copy."
The last word "copy' does not make the cut.
If that's too long, then replace the 2nd creature word with word "the":
"Summon a copy of the target creature. Apply all effects that has been done to original creature also to the copy."
"Summon a copy of the target creature. Apply all effects that has been done to the original also to the copy."
- or use this version -
"Summon a copy of the target creature. The copy receives all effects that has been done to the original."

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Re: Wording of Voodoo Doll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19120.msg257232#msg257232
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2011, 09:51:51 pm »
zse - thank you for not turning this into a stupid nerf argument. This is the kind of discussion I was looking for. Your opinion is valued and appreciated. To tell you the truth, I totally overlooked Twin Universe's wording. Good catch.

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Re: Wording of Voodoo Doll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19120.msg257661#msg257661
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2011, 09:38:52 am »
My suggestion:

"Voodoo: Damage and status effects on this creature are inflicted on the opponent, unless it is destroyed."

This hints that it's retroactive without explicitly stating it.

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Re: Wording of Voodoo Doll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19120.msg257663#msg257663
« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2011, 09:52:14 am »
My suggestion:

"Voodoo: Damage and status effects on this creature are inflicted on the opponent, unless it is destroyed."

This hints that it's retroactive without explicitly stating it.
This runs into the same problem as the other wording really. When TUed, the new doll hasn't been dealt damage, the old (ie this) one has.

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Re: Wording of Voodoo Doll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19120.msg257669#msg257669
« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2011, 10:14:22 am »
But it doesn't explicitly mention being dealt damage like the current one.  There's no verb, it just says 'damage'.  Perhaps I'm not clearing up all of its behavior, but I am phrasing it in a way that what it does doesn't contradict the card text.  A TU'd Doll is not really 'surviving an attack', but the new one does have 'damage'.

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Re: Wording of Voodoo Doll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19120.msg257671#msg257671
« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2011, 10:25:11 am »
But it doesn't explicitly mention being dealt damage like the current one.  There's no verb, it just says 'damage'.  Perhaps I'm not clearing up all of its behavior, but I am phrasing it in a way that what it does doesn't contradict the card text.  A TU'd Doll is not really 'surviving an attack', but the new one does have 'damage'.
Oh now I get it. I didn't read yours quite carefully enough. Now that you explain, I agree.

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Re: Wording of Voodoo Doll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19120.msg258037#msg258037
« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2011, 11:40:44 pm »
Summon a copy of the target creature. Apply all effects that has been done to original creature also to the copy.

Or is that bit too confusing wording when used with Mutated creature? Discuss.
"Summon a copy of the target creature.  All effects on the original creature are applied to the copy."
My English teacher would scorn the passive voice.  But it helps.  "Applied to" could also be "reapplied to" or "duplicated on".

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Re: Wording of Voodoo Doll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19120.msg258047#msg258047
« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2011, 12:07:34 am »
if this creature is alive all damage and status previously taken, is inflicted to enemy if not already.

just an idea.

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Re: Wording of Voodoo Doll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19120.msg258261#msg258261
« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2011, 08:36:08 am »
If the hp of voodoo is lowered the attacker takes the damage/status equivalent to that amount

Do i win yet?

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Re: Wording of Voodoo Doll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19120.msg258358#msg258358
« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2011, 02:59:06 pm »
If the hp of voodoo is lowered the attacker takes the damage/status equivalent to that amount

Do i win yet?
Does not explain Twin Universe nor the necessity of the doll's survival.

Voodoo: If this creature is alive all damage and status previously taken, is inflicted to enemy if not already.

just an idea.
This fits on the card.
I think this is the new Voodoo Suggestion (unless someone tops it)
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Re: Wording of Voodoo Doll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19120.msg258478#msg258478
« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2011, 06:12:58 pm »
if this creature is alive all damage and status previously taken, is inflicted to enemy if not already.

just an idea.
Pretty damned close. I'm a little worried about "...status already taken" tho...will a poisoned Voodoo Doll transfer its status if TU'd? I didn't think so but I'm not sure.

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Re: Wording of Voodoo Doll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19120.msg258509#msg258509
« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2011, 06:50:20 pm »
if this creature is alive all damage and status previously taken, is inflicted to enemy if not already.

just an idea.
Pretty damned close. I'm a little worried about "...status already taken" tho...will a poisoned Voodoo Doll transfer its status if TU'd? I didn't think so but I'm not sure.
Strangely enough a TU'ed Voodoo Doll does not re apply poison.
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