PVP farming [exploit]

[pulli23]

I know I'm new here but, if everyone can do it, how can anyone have a problem?
If people aren't PVP'ing, then there clearly not doing it for a reason? But it's still a personal choice...surely?

It's no fun, takes away from the achievements & makes the game resolve really around shards..

At kongregate I even see people "trading" things from other games - do you wish gains in other games will help you in this game?

[NaTuraL]

I know I'm new here but, if everyone can do it, how can anyone have a problem?
If people aren't PVP'ing, then there clearly not doing it for a reason? But it's still a personal choice...surely?

It's no fun, takes away from the achievements & makes the game resolve really around shards..

At kongregate I even see people "trading" things from other games - do you wish gains in other games will help you in this game?

But...what stops me doing it? Or you?

The point is people are getting them too fast...well surely thats up to them? If you want them, go get them, if you want the fun, stick at what you're doing but, know you'll have to wait a little longer. The cards don't change, just the form/timescale in which they can be collected differs depending on how you play the game.

[Jenkar]

I know I'm new here but, if everyone can do it, how can anyone have a problem?
If people aren't PVP'ing, then there clearly not doing it for a reason? But it's still a personal choice...surely?

It's no fun, takes away from the achievements & makes the game resolve really around shards..

At kongregate I even see people "trading" things from other games - do you wish gains in other games will help you in this game?

But...what stops me doing it? Or you?

The point is people are getting them too fast...well surely thats up to them? If you want them, go get them, if you want the fun, stick at what you're doing but, know you'll have to wait a little longer. The cards don't change, just the form/timescale in which they can be collected differs depending on how you play the game.

A) A honor thing. Zanz stated that he wanted rares to be rares, and that's why t50 was removed. Pvp farming is just a faster, more efficient t50. And hence goes against what zanz wished :V

[NaTuraL]

I know I'm new here but, if everyone can do it, how can anyone have a problem?
If people aren't PVP'ing, then there clearly not doing it for a reason? But it's still a personal choice...surely?

It's no fun, takes away from the achievements & makes the game resolve really around shards..

At kongregate I even see people "trading" things from other games - do you wish gains in other games will help you in this game?

But...what stops me doing it? Or you?

The point is people are getting them too fast...well surely thats up to them? If you want them, go get them, if you want the fun, stick at what you're doing but, know you'll have to wait a little longer. The cards don't change, just the form/timescale in which they can be collected differs depending on how you play the game.

A) A honor thing. Zanz stated that he wanted rares to be rares, and that's why t50 was removed. Pvp farming is just a faster, more efficient t50. And hence goes against what zanz wished :V

Oh no, don't get me wrong, I appreciate the point and i understand where you guys are coming from. I wouldn't personally PVP and I'm stuck trying to grind AI3 because I made my deck and don't particularly want to steal someone elses deck ideas just to get more electrum faster, I get the point

What I'm saying though is the cards are the same, as you said yourself (I think it was you, and cant remember exactly how long you said) you have managed to get the shards in a month doing it your way,  however it took you 12 hours to get them through PVP. All I'm saying is, the cards are going to be the same and won't differ based on your perception of how to play the game. You may have had a lucky day? Getting 12 shards has surely restricted you from getting other types of cards that you potentially may need.

[Jenkar]

I know I'm new here but, if everyone can do it, how can anyone have a problem?
If people aren't PVP'ing, then there clearly not doing it for a reason? But it's still a personal choice...surely?

It's no fun, takes away from the achievements & makes the game resolve really around shards..

At kongregate I even see people "trading" things from other games - do you wish gains in other games will help you in this game?

But...what stops me doing it? Or you?

The point is people are getting them too fast...well surely thats up to them? If you want them, go get them, if you want the fun, stick at what you're doing but, know you'll have to wait a little longer. The cards don't change, just the form/timescale in which they can be collected differs depending on how you play the game.

A) A honor thing. Zanz stated that he wanted rares to be rares, and that's why t50 was removed. Pvp farming is just a faster, more efficient t50. And hence goes against what zanz wished :V

Oh no, don't get me wrong, I appreciate the point and i understand where you guys are coming from. I wouldn't personally PVP and I'm stuck trying to grind AI3 because I made my deck and don't particularly want to steal someone elses deck ideas just to get more electrum faster, I get the point

What I'm saying though is the cards are the same, as you said yourself (I think it was you, and cant remember exactly how long you said) you have managed to get the shards in a month doing it your way,  however it took you 12 hours to get them through PVP. All I'm saying is, the cards are going to be the same and won't differ based on your perception of how to play the game. You may have had a lucky day? Getting 12 shards has surely restricted you from getting other types of cards that you potentially may need.

12 hours was to get 3 types of rares. Lesse. there's 7+ 2*2 + 10 types of rares. Ie 21. so, 7*12 = 84 hours. Assuming you play leisurely & don't know the bugs that can speed that by tons.

Also, just note one thing. If i extend your argument, we should all start with trainer cardbase.

[NaTuraL]

I know I'm new here but, if everyone can do it, how can anyone have a problem?
If people aren't PVP'ing, then there clearly not doing it for a reason? But it's still a personal choice...surely?

It's no fun, takes away from the achievements & makes the game resolve really around shards..

At kongregate I even see people "trading" things from other games - do you wish gains in other games will help you in this game?

But...what stops me doing it? Or you?

The point is people are getting them too fast...well surely thats up to them? If you want them, go get them, if you want the fun, stick at what you're doing but, know you'll have to wait a little longer. The cards don't change, just the form/timescale in which they can be collected differs depending on how you play the game.

A) A honor thing. Zanz stated that he wanted rares to be rares, and that's why t50 was removed. Pvp farming is just a faster, more efficient t50. And hence goes against what zanz wished :V

Oh no, don't get me wrong, I appreciate the point and i understand where you guys are coming from. I wouldn't personally PVP and I'm stuck trying to grind AI3 because I made my deck and don't particularly want to steal someone elses deck ideas just to get more electrum faster, I get the point

What I'm saying though is the cards are the same, as you said yourself (I think it was you, and cant remember exactly how long you said) you have managed to get the shards in a month doing it your way,  however it took you 12 hours to get them through PVP. All I'm saying is, the cards are going to be the same and won't differ based on your perception of how to play the game. You may have had a lucky day? Getting 12 shards has surely restricted you from getting other types of cards that you potentially may need.

12 hours was to get 3 types of rares. Lesse. there's 7+ 2*2 + 10 types of rares. Ie 21. so, 7*12 = 84 hours. Assuming you play leisurely & don't know the bugs that can speed that by tons.

Also, just note one thing. If i extend your argument, we should all start with trainer cardbase.

I have no arguement, mearly making a point, the point is play the game you wish to play the game. There's many flaws if we're talking about honour such as the many ways to increase your chance of getting rares and electrum, there's decks based for newbies like me to farmer FG's or AI4, Rol/Hope or LA as an example. You not going to get shards this way (I don't think) but you can boost your electrum faster and your rare count so that you can start playing PVP's to get the shards or w/e.

On a side note, I'm still bashing AI3s and not trying to make Rol/Hope etc, I have LA but the win rate doesn't do me any favours, I'd rather slug it out for hours n hours and do it the hard way, before you think I'm actually defending the PVP system.

[pulli23]

I know I'm new here but, if everyone can do it, how can anyone have a problem?
If people aren't PVP'ing, then there clearly not doing it for a reason? But it's still a personal choice...surely?

It's no fun, takes away from the achievements & makes the game resolve really around shards..

At kongregate I even see people "trading" things from other games - do you wish gains in other games will help you in this game?

But...what stops me doing it? Or you?

The point is people are getting them too fast...well surely thats up to them? If you want them, go get them, if you want the fun, stick at what you're doing but, know you'll have to wait a little longer. The cards don't change, just the form/timescale in which they can be collected differs depending on how you play the game.

A) A honor thing. Zanz stated that he wanted rares to be rares, and that's why t50 was removed. Pvp farming is just a faster, more efficient t50. And hence goes against what zanz wished :V

Oh no, don't get me wrong, I appreciate the point and i understand where you guys are coming from. I wouldn't personally PVP and I'm stuck trying to grind AI3 because I made my deck and don't particularly want to steal someone elses deck ideas just to get more electrum faster, I get the point

What I'm saying though is the cards are the same, as you said yourself (I think it was you, and cant remember exactly how long you said) you have managed to get the shards in a month doing it your way,  however it took you 12 hours to get them through PVP. All I'm saying is, the cards are going to be the same and won't differ based on your perception of how to play the game. You may have had a lucky day? Getting 12 shards has surely restricted you from getting other types of cards that you potentially may need.

Your argument can be said against anything: think a card is OP? - Well what is stopping you from also using that card?

[Jenkar]

I know I'm new here but, if everyone can do it, how can anyone have a problem?
If people aren't PVP'ing, then there clearly not doing it for a reason? But it's still a personal choice...surely?

It's no fun, takes away from the achievements & makes the game resolve really around shards..

At kongregate I even see people "trading" things from other games - do you wish gains in other games will help you in this game?

But...what stops me doing it? Or you?

The point is people are getting them too fast...well surely thats up to them? If you want them, go get them, if you want the fun, stick at what you're doing but, know you'll have to wait a little longer. The cards don't change, just the form/timescale in which they can be collected differs depending on how you play the game.

A) A honor thing. Zanz stated that he wanted rares to be rares, and that's why t50 was removed. Pvp farming is just a faster, more efficient t50. And hence goes against what zanz wished :V

Oh no, don't get me wrong, I appreciate the point and i understand where you guys are coming from. I wouldn't personally PVP and I'm stuck trying to grind AI3 because I made my deck and don't particularly want to steal someone elses deck ideas just to get more electrum faster, I get the point

What I'm saying though is the cards are the same, as you said yourself (I think it was you, and cant remember exactly how long you said) you have managed to get the shards in a month doing it your way,  however it took you 12 hours to get them through PVP. All I'm saying is, the cards are going to be the same and won't differ based on your perception of how to play the game. You may have had a lucky day? Getting 12 shards has surely restricted you from getting other types of cards that you potentially may need.

Your argument can be said against anything: think a card is OP? - Well what is stopping you from also using that card?

The reason is the same : honor. Basicly, i consider that rare farming gives you an unfair advantage over those who choose to follow the arena. Same as some consider the use of op cards ''unfair''.

[NaTuraL]

I know I'm new here but, if everyone can do it, how can anyone have a problem?
If people aren't PVP'ing, then there clearly not doing it for a reason? But it's still a personal choice...surely?

It's no fun, takes away from the achievements & makes the game resolve really around shards..

At kongregate I even see people "trading" things from other games - do you wish gains in other games will help you in this game?

But...what stops me doing it? Or you?

The point is people are getting them too fast...well surely thats up to them? If you want them, go get them, if you want the fun, stick at what you're doing but, know you'll have to wait a little longer. The cards don't change, just the form/timescale in which they can be collected differs depending on how you play the game.

A) A honor thing. Zanz stated that he wanted rares to be rares, and that's why t50 was removed. Pvp farming is just a faster, more efficient t50. And hence goes against what zanz wished :V

Oh no, don't get me wrong, I appreciate the point and i understand where you guys are coming from. I wouldn't personally PVP and I'm stuck trying to grind AI3 because I made my deck and don't particularly want to steal someone elses deck ideas just to get more electrum faster, I get the point

What I'm saying though is the cards are the same, as you said yourself (I think it was you, and cant remember exactly how long you said) you have managed to get the shards in a month doing it your way,  however it took you 12 hours to get them through PVP. All I'm saying is, the cards are going to be the same and won't differ based on your perception of how to play the game. You may have had a lucky day? Getting 12 shards has surely restricted you from getting other types of cards that you potentially may need.

Your argument can be said against anything: think a card is OP? - Well what is stopping you from also using that card?

I don't have the experience to base an arguement bud lol. Merely making a point that people can get the cards anyway they wish to play the game, also, I said the cards won't change so it shouldn't matter how you go about getting them, so if a card is "OP" then the card will be rectified which would be a different situation all together.

People may be more competitive than others and wish to play real people rather than an AI system, so these people should be punished?

Like I said, I don't have the experience to base an arguement just sharing an opinion. Also, if everyone was to play the PVP system, which is probably more of how the game should be played...rather than al the farming that goes on, it would be more difficult to win a PVP meaning the rewardshould represent the difficulty surely?

[NaTuraL]

I know I'm new here but, if everyone can do it, how can anyone have a problem?
If people aren't PVP'ing, then there clearly not doing it for a reason? But it's still a personal choice...surely?

It's no fun, takes away from the achievements & makes the game resolve really around shards..

At kongregate I even see people "trading" things from other games - do you wish gains in other games will help you in this game?

But...what stops me doing it? Or you?

The point is people are getting them too fast...well surely thats up to them? If you want them, go get them, if you want the fun, stick at what you're doing but, know you'll have to wait a little longer. The cards don't change, just the form/timescale in which they can be collected differs depending on how you play the game.

A) A honor thing. Zanz stated that he wanted rares to be rares, and that's why t50 was removed. Pvp farming is just a faster, more efficient t50. And hence goes against what zanz wished :V

Oh no, don't get me wrong, I appreciate the point and i understand where you guys are coming from. I wouldn't personally PVP and I'm stuck trying to grind AI3 because I made my deck and don't particularly want to steal someone elses deck ideas just to get more electrum faster, I get the point

What I'm saying though is the cards are the same, as you said yourself (I think it was you, and cant remember exactly how long you said) you have managed to get the shards in a month doing it your way,  however it took you 12 hours to get them through PVP. All I'm saying is, the cards are going to be the same and won't differ based on your perception of how to play the game. You may have had a lucky day? Getting 12 shards has surely restricted you from getting other types of cards that you potentially may need.

Your argument can be said against anything: think a card is OP? - Well what is stopping you from also using that card?

The reason is the same : honor. Basicly, i consider that rare farming gives you an unfair advantage over those who choose to follow the arena. Same as some consider the use of op cards ''unfair''.

Yeah. We would go round in circles all day discussing because there's no right/wrong answer because it's based on opinions. The difference between the two though would be appreciation and/or respect. Competitions/Tournaments etc, I would look up to the people who have slugged it out the correct way rather than people who have just gone the easy way to win or w/e. Although, like my previous comment, if all you guys with boss decks were to play PVP all day, it would be harder to win, meaning the reward would justified.

[kimham8a]

I don't understand the problem. Are there too many rare farms in PVP 1/2?

[Jenkar]

I don't understand the problem. Are there too many rare farms in PVP 1/2?

Rare farms existence is dat problem ^^