Elements Mafia 79 - by MasterWalks

[RootRanger]

Oh wow, gg then. Well, thx for the save andre! N0 was crazy improbable in retrospect, with the two PRs targeting each other and the Doc getting a successful save. Tough to come back from without getting a snipe on Sheed.

How much of the Omegon claim was planned from the start? The fakeclaim and N1 Linkcat target was impressive, since there's a case to be made that Alpharius wouldn't target his buddy. Really got lucky there that I'd targeted andre N0.

The thunderdome was perfectly valid. Winning the 50/50 means winning the game, since he could kill Sheed afterward.

I liked the ruleset! The mafia wincon of Cop/Doc both dying probably prevents follow-the-Cop from being the best strat. At least, I didn't want to risk it. The symmetry of the Alpharius/Omegon and Ingo/Sheed is super interesting too. Prevents us from figuring everything out just with the Legionaries, since if someone is incapable of claiming a true Legionarie target, they're just as likely to be a civ PR as they are to be mafia. I especially liked that all the regular civs had information roles.

Rerolling is a tricky topic. I hosted a game once where, if I recall correctly, the Cop went totally inactive midway through, which caused the mafia to win when they would've otherwise lost. It felt kinda awful, so I can understand rerolling. Probably for the best when there's a player who is new to both mafia as well as the forum overall.

[PlayerOa]

Wow, this was some ride at the end. Well done guys, sorry I couldn't commit more.

[Mobian]

This game was an absolute blast! Honestly, I was townreading serp right up to the point where he got SUPER aggressive and pushed for the claims hard. I think Serp might have had a better chance if he had slow rolled it a few more rounds, especially since he knew who the doc was.

[kaempfer13]

making targeting mandatory for information roles with no drawbacks (random roll if no action put in) mitigates the impact of people just forgetting to use their role. Until they get modkilled for inactivity anyway.
Also, it should be noted this was a townsided setup with the most townsided number of players, maximizing adverseries to mafia whilst still making legionary a confirmed town. Sure even with mafia legionary the wincondition would have remained the same and legionaries can still be ignored for lynches, but being able to unconditionally trust legionaries is a big deal (provided their claim can be verified).
For balancing some other roles that could be confused with ingo pech would probably have fit. maybe sth like a janitor (information roles on target yield no result), but somehow more usefull maybe (as that should just be holstered most of the time).

[andretimpa]

@serp why would you ever get into a thunderdome when you think there is 3 lynches left and you are the last teammember? You need people to suffer a stroke twice and also win a 50-50. From your PoV that was a 100% losing play, actually made me hesitate for a bit.

If you go back in the thread you'll notice the Omegon claim comes right after he realizes he just needs to get Omegon and Sheed killed. But looking at his targets I think he could try to not claim, ride his towncred, getting rid of me tonight and of Root the night after (if he got lucky with the Harrowing he could try to misslynch marsmoons or Wyand imo)

[MasterWalks]

making targeting mandatory for information roles with no drawbacks (random roll if no action put in) mitigates the impact of people just forgetting to use their role. Until they get modkilled for inactivity anyway.
Also, it should be noted this was a townsided setup with the most townsided number of players, maximizing adverseries to mafia whilst still making legionary a confirmed town. Sure even with mafia legionary the wincondition would have remained the same and legionaries can still be ignored for lynches, but being able to unconditionally trust legionaries is a big deal (provided their claim can be verified).
For balancing some other roles that could be confused with ingo pech would probably have fit. maybe sth like a janitor (information roles on target yield no result), but somehow more usefull maybe (as that should just be holstered most of the time).

I agree. On face value, the set up seems reasonably balanced, which is probably why it was approved. I think either you underestimate how powerful a Mafia Legionarie is or I am overestimating it. Framer was also much weaker than I had imagined and could probably use some tweaks. I've never actually played a game with a framer role that I can remember.

Kaempfer, with how data oriented you are, and how organized you are, you should host one. If I can do it, anyone can

[andretimpa]

This was kinda hilarious

ty for targetting me then doc

@serp sure

PlayerOa (2) - Linkcat, RootRanger
marsmoons (1) - kaempfer13
kaempfer13 (1) - marsmoons
worldwideweb3 (3) - serprex, Mobian, andretimpa

[kaempfer13]

operation successful, patient dead

[RootRanger]

Kaempfer, with how data oriented you are, and how organized you are, you should host one. If I can do it, anyone can

I can host one if people are up for it, have some ideas I can write up later today

[MasterWalks]

Kaempfer, with how data oriented you are, and how organized you are, you should host one. If I can do it, anyone can

I can host one if people are up for it, have some ideas I can write up later today

I'd sign up!

plz don't be anime theme.

[RootRanger]

plz don't be anime theme.

Lol hey now that was like 10 years ago!

[worldwideweb3]

who won? who was who?